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Ciara Is a Cheap Date (Who Should've Paid?)

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When I heard that Ciara’s new album, Fantasy Ride, was coming out today I was reminded of my first and only date with the pop diva. Technically, it was a chaperoned interview over dinner, but I'm calling it a date damn it. This is my fantasy ride so let me be. LOL.

Anyway, I was on assignment for King (R.I.P.-Rest In Print) and doing Ciara's first interview for the Illest Men’s Magazine Ever. Her Goodies album had been out for about a month and King wanted to shoot her earlier but they had strict guidelines about shooting girls 18 and under so they had to wait until Cici was of age. If memory serves me correctly, the photo shoot took place two days after her 19th birthday. King's founder Datwon Thomas even had birthday cupcakes delivered to commemorate Ciara reaching legal eye candy age.

When I arrived to the downtown Manhattan photo studio sometime in the early afternoon, Ciara was seated in a director's chair off in a corner getting her hair and makeup done. Anyone that’s been to a photo shoot before knows it's basically a bunch of standing around and twiddling your thumbs—especially for the writer who usually doesn't know any of the two dozen people in attendance. Luckily, I was chummy with Terrence, Ciara’s publicist at the time and we shot the breeze about album releases, upcoming singles and other industry chatter.

Finally, Terrence got to the purpose of the day. "Did you meet Ciara yet," he asked.

"Nah, not yet."

"Oh, okay, she's super cool. I'll see if she's free just so she can know who you are."

Terrence proceeded to walk over to Ciara, who was just finishing up her hair and makeup, and chatted with her for a few. A short while later, he escorted her to my nook of the studio in the makeshift lounge area. "Ciara, this is Anslem, the writer from King."

I stood up to greet her and extended my hand, but Ciara stopped me. "Oh, we don't shake hands around here," she said with a smile.

Totally befuddled I stared at her blankly like, "Huh?"

"I give hugs instead," she continued while extending her arms wide.

"Oh, word," I beamed before collapsing into Ciara's warm embrace. I was in heaven and at that exact moment I remembered why I loved my job.

After pleasantries were exchanged, Ciara went through a wardrobe discussion with Datwon. He wanted her in a bathing suit; she wanted to wear jeans and a blazer. Keep in mind, Ciara was only 19 and her label was very adamant about keeping her clean-cut image intact. (This of course was four years before THIS infamous partially nude Vibe cover). Eventually they reached a shaky compromise where Ciara wore a bathing suit under jeans and a blazer. Don't ask. The blazer eventually came off, though, as she got more comfortable and the King design team just cropped out the jeans later to give the allusion that she was just wearing a bathing suit. I think her team was mad at that, but the King readers don’t want to see a chick in jeans or overalls so waist up was what was up.

Once the shoot was over I had to tail Ciara and her entourage, which included her manager and two dancers, to her hotel in midtown before going to a sound check for her show later that night. As a reporter on assignment you’re like a fly on the wall trying to blend in without invading your subject’s personal space. Basically, I feel them out from a distance or just wait for the rep to tell me it’s cool to start my interview. Ciara, though, was super cool. She was warm and welcoming and had a real good head on her shoulders for a 19-year-old. Her media training was on point, too, a little too on point, because she was very calculated in her answers and loved saying “I take that back,” which to me means, “you can’t print that or I’ll sue your ass.” LOL.

Not to sound like a pervert because of her age, but Ciara is a very attractive woman in person. In fact, when I saw her, my first thought was, “That’s what Beyoncé’s sister should have looked like.” Now before any angry Solange fans come at my neck, remember this was five years ago when the junior Knowles was rocking braids and hippie clothes. Solange has definitely come a long way since then and has grown into herself as a woman that’s as equally attractive as Beyoncé or Ciara. But I feel like I’ve gone off track, so let me refocus…

After grabbing brief moments of interview time en route to the sound check, Ciara had the driver drop her dancers (I think one was giving me rhythm but I was on the clock) off at the hotel and we headed to a nearby Houston’s—with her manager in tow—to finish our conversation. We got a seat rather quickly in a small booth near the back and once we placed our orders I placed my recorder on the table and tried to pull teeth get some juicy tidbits for my King story. It was hard enough morally being a grown ass man asking a teenager about sex and relationships, but what made it harder was Ciara’s guarded nature.

So do you consider yourself a romantic?
Ciara: I enjoy spending quality time with a special someone.
I’ll take that as you’re not romantic.
Ciara: I didn’t say I’m not.
“Spending quality time,” sounds like what you do with your grandma.
Ciara: Well, there’s more to it. I just can’t say.
Oh, you can’t punk out on me now.
Ciara: I know, but I’m shy when you talk about relationships and all that.

Still, I managed to get one scandalous (not really) detail about her dating twins—when she was like 6-years old. “It wasn’t serious. I just had a boyfriend that was a twin, but the other one liked me too. That was my little secret when I was a kid.” Yawn!

I will say this, though, after the interview, I had a lot of respect for Ciara. Like I said before, she was a very smart kid and extremely goal oriented, which was remarkable for someone that young. So while I only had “Goodies” to go off of before, actually talking made me look at her in a different light. The only problem was when the check came.

Now I’m sure my fellow scribes will support me on this one, but along with getting to hang around with stars on occasion, another perk of the job is free meals. It’s just standard industry protocol that the publicist or label picks up the tab when entertaining a journalist on assignment to interview your client. It’s no big deal, it just gets written off in the promotions budget.

Anyway, after the interview and meal are done, the waitress drops off the bill and I notice both Ciara and her manager digging for their wallets. It’s not like they’re fighting to see who pays, but it looks like they’re putting in their individual portion of the bill. After an awkward second or two I reach for the bill as well to see how much I owe, I guess. I mean, I figured one of them would have stopped me and been like, “Oh, don’t worry about it, I got it.” But no such luck, I guess the simple offer to pay courtesy I appreciate from my dates didn’t apply in the reverse. So I calculated what I owed, plus tip and threw it into the pot.

It wasn’t like I didn’t have the 30 bucks to contribute for my salad, appetizer and drink, but I was a freelancer (key word free) and I was sitting with a then up-and-coming yet signed artist and her manager, who probably pulled in more than me on a bad day. That’s no knock to Ciara or her team, because they treated me graciously the entire day, but I guess I had gotten spoiled. At least I didn’t O.D. and order the $30 center-cut steak filet (I don’t eat red meat anyway). So for a split second I guess I felt what it was like to be one of the ladies who’ve commented on here about expecting a man to pay for dinner and being let down. The only difference is a warm hug from Ciara when she said goodbye was worth it, I promise.

To my fellow journalists, have you ever been caught in an awkward moment with a celebrity and a bill? Do you always expect the famous person or their camp to pay? Do you ever O.D. and order stuff you never would if you were paying with your own money? Ladies, have you ever ordered stuff with no regard for how much it cost because you knew/assumed you weren’t paying? Would you look at a man differently if he pulled out a coupon to pay for dinner? Fellas, have you ever been out with a girl that knew you were paying and ordered the most expensive things on the menu or mad courses? Did it change your perception of her? Have you ever been out on a date with a cheapskate? Should Ciara have paid for my dinner?

Speak your piece…

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  • Cchery

    Ciara's a looker, but there's something awkward about her. I admit, I never looked at her the same after those hermaphrodite rumors.

  • http://smokingsection.uproxx.com TC

    I'm witcha. Last time I was out to eat with a certain weed abusing rapper, the bill came and there was no "Oh...U know I got it..."

    Ciara &/or Co. definitely should've foot the bill especially with you looking out for their career with the welcomed publicity

  • July

    On dates I never go buck wild crazy on the menu unless I am willing and able to pay for what I ate, doing otherwise is just plain rude and lacks good etiquette. Plus assuming and then eating like a horse or as though you were born eating Beluga caviar as a snack can turn around and smack you in the face when the other person turns around to only cover their half of the bill then what are you gonna do? Only when its a S.O and its a special occassion like my birthday and he tells me that hes taking me out to spoil me will I go crazy on the menu on someone elses dime.

  • Elle

    I watch what I order. Who would want to ruin a man's credit with one meal? Not my style. Plus, if I end up having to pay my share I'd want to be able to afford it.
    In actuality, I don't feel comfortable making men spend money on me if I don't even know whether I like him enough to reciprocate at a later point in time. So just one coffe or an ice cream cone are fine. Fancy dinners should come into the picture at a much later point in time.

    As for the entertainment industry, don't get me started. It might be different for journalists because the labels/management/artists need yall to make them look good. Free meals for you make sense. Other than that, record labels are about the cheapest employer I can think of. They simply "never have money" to pay their bills. Managements try to get over everybody they meet. They want free this, free that. Riders are becoming more and more absurd even for "up and coming" artists who haven't accomplished shit yet.
    Horrible. Simply horrible.

  • distinguishedgentlewoman

    Ciara is gorgeous. She totally deserves her spot on People mag's 100 Most Beautiful list. And the Knowles sisters---especially Solonge? No comparison. NONE WHATSOEVER.

  • http://www.aliyasking.com Aliya

    This is hilarious. This must be Ci-Ci's steez. Cause I got caught out there with her too!!

    It was for The VIBE issue with her and BowWow on the cover. We were at a fancy schmancy hotel restaurant in Beverly Hills.

    Two differences though. Homegirl didn't even reach for her wallet.

    And the bill was close to 100.00.

  • TaiTai

    Been there...
    Had the dude ask me out and erythang...
    DIDN'T EVEN OFFER TO PAY!
    I was like...um...no?
    He was like, aw, you know I'm still in school, and you got a real job (I was still in school too, just interning for a big pharma company).
    SMH...

  • Volcanica

    Who ever did the invite should have paid the bill. I didn't get a chacne to read the entire post because my boss keeps interupting. But that's my opinion on it.

  • Simoneis2good4u

    I always order seafood when i eat out and I know the price for it is a little up there but I always offer to foot half the bill. It is up to my date if he wants to accept the offer or not.

  • artsyheartsy

    Summer between HS and college went on one date with a would be dine and dasher, who balked when I paid and tipped because, "we could've gotten over." I have ever since made sure to have my portion of the bill ready and ordered within my budget until and unless I know my dining companion is not gonna act shady when the bill comes. I generally offer to contribute on first dates with guys I really like- who usually graciously decline my offer.

  • http://singlemamawomenofcolor.ning.com singlemama

    No, I don't order more bc I know I am not paying. I agree, I think her camp should have paid.

  • http://blackadelicpop.blogspot.com Michael A. Gonzales

    Though I think she's one of the most overrated chicks on Planet Pop, I did a cover story on little Miss C for Giant a few years ago and the check was paid for by her manager. That said, I was in London once with a few rappers and after we finished eating, the entire posse ran out of the spot. How is that for bad manners?

  • litrisha

    Ok it's only normal for the guy to pay, I won't go if a guy doesn't pay. After all the guy wants YOU, so he should pay, plain and simple! If he wants to get to know you like he always says he does then he would go through whatever means necessary to accommodate you.......
    Am I right ladies? I can't STAND a cheap date! On the flip side though, some women(not me)tend to take advantage and order like 3 appetizers, 2 full course meals and desserts to take home to the kids.........LOL
    All in all the man should pay-HANDS DOWN!

  • da ThRONe

    If a man should pay then the woman should give up the draws and everybodies happy. Right fellas?

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @Litrisha

    Put you hand back up, please. Thanx.

    lol

  • Ms P

    I think her mgmt should have paid for the meal also, especially since they wanted her to be portrayed in a positive light. You could have gone back & did a real hatchet job on her in your article. Business is business.

    That being said, I do expect a man to pay for a date. I do have my own $$ just in case something should happen, but I don't offer that up. In fact, as I noted in a prior post, I never considered even asking to leave a tip until I read one of your blogs. I just wasn't raised that way. It was expected that a man paid for the date. Plain & simple. I would never order the most expensive thing, nor would I order a bunch of food just to order it. That is greed & a lack of class. However, again I do expect a man to pay. And da ThRONe, no that does not give you a pass for the panties!! LOL ...smh..

  • http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=47402596659#/home.php?ref=home Jenn Perez

    She shulda paid.. plain and simple..

    Da throne : a free meal doesn't mean you will be "Eating' Afterwards! LMAO

  • http://thetributetous.blogspot.com SK

    I Like an offer for a women, and sometimes i throw out a zinger for my girl. She will ask ME to go out and when the bill comes she looks at me all wide eyed and i look back like you don't have to pay for me but you will pay for yourself... Most of the time i pay but i don't just enough for her to know that its not guaranteed.

  • http://DeeRSco.wordpress.com Deanna Renee

    I agree that both men and Ciara's camp should at least offer to pay...

    But in reading a lot of the comments here, it looks like people are saying that Ciara's camp should've picked up the tab as a sort of bribe.

    Maybe, as a new artist, her promotions budget wasn't big enough or was at it's limit. Since you said, both Ciara and her manager went for their wallet's I wouldn't be too mad about that.

    As far as dates go, I definitely do go out expecting the man to pay but there have been PLENTY of men that I have dated where it was obvious that not only were they not going to offer, they were going to ask me to pick up the entire check. I don't mind if that's the financial state that you're in but as some other people stated, it's just rude to assume that you have carte blanche over the menu if you do not intend to pay for at least your own portion of the check.

  • Ms Philadelphia

    Well at least she didnt expect you to pay for the entire bill. In the pharmacutical industry, drug reps bring lunch so they can have a half hour of a doctors time... So just your portion wasnt anything out of the ordinary.

    I wouldnt mind a guy using a coupon/discount to pay for dinner.. I might even show my student ID to get an even bigger discount... I do it if the date includes a movie...

    @ Da Throne.. Why do you think you should get some drawers for a $ 12 meal? and I hope your not trying to charge the entire bill to a dates ass... You get no drawers for the portion you ate... drink water! Then the bill will be cheaper...

    Sorry ya'll thats a pet peeve....

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Ms Philadelphia

    I was being sarcastic I thought people would get it NWSO did. My point was its equally outrageous to expect a man to pay as it is to expect a lady to have sex just because a man paid. If I take somebody out I have no expectations what so ever. Being a female is not a "get a meal free card" for to long females have had this attitude like it is. When I pick up the check its because Im not a cheap person and I have it male or female. And any real lady would do the same not just sit back and expect other people to cover her.

  • Ms Philadelphia

    @ da throne

    Its sarcasm like that, which continues the problem. And NO, it is not outrageous to expect a man to pay for dinner... Pay for everything/all the time, maybe... but not for dinner... especially the first time... first few times...

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Ms Philadelphia

    I dont understand how people this day and age are still hung up on the man pays first thing. Im gonna treat you the same way from day 1 to day 1000 to day 10000 and I expect the same. If im broke for what ever reason and you cant come out your pocket for any date weither its the first one or not then your a shallow person. Once again I have no problem picking up a bill but its the point money should not be a factor. You should be trying to get to know that person and if he is a man that handles his business that should be what your focusing on not if he has extra spending cash when you both have free time to go out on a date.

    The outrageousness is centered around the expectation of anybody from day 1 not the "12 bucks"

  • Ms Philadelphia

    I never said I/or a woman couldn’t pick up a bill... but not the 1st date... call it shallow.. I call it properly courting a woman... and "its like that, cause that’s the way it is"...

    And there is no way you can go through life with out expectations... you even have them on day one... and mines is... He picks up the tab on our 1st date... Period

    It may be an old mind set... but I like the ways of the old... Going on a date meant something then…

    Men and woman are always supposed to treat each other the same... with respect... but their roles differ.... no matter the day or the age...

  • tosweetheart

    re: " Men and woman are always supposed to treat each other the same… with respect… but their roles differ…. no matter the day or the age…" EXACTLY.

    @ da Throne ... Yes, you should be trying to get to know someone on a date and see if they 'handle their business" ... BUT if 'handling their business" means they can't even afford to pay on a date then they should a) be inviting you to do something creative and free or b) not asking women out?

    Depending on the woman... even if he's handling all "the business" in the world, if he's broke (can't afford a first date), that's usually a deal breaker.

    Happy Friday!

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @tosweetheart

    So its ok for you to be broke but its not ok for him? That silly lil girl talk. What if he just asks you the cover your own end? Why do female believe that courting is me chasing you? The want to be around each other should be mutual and if its not I dont wanna be around you. A real women dont expect hand outs just like a real man dont expect them.

    And how the hell are our roles different I didnt think a relationship was a sitcom or a pressional sport! Its funny how so many "so called" women talk like immature little girls. In any real relationship a female responsibilty are the same as a male. Roles are define by the couple not society. If its best for me to stay home and watch the kids then thats what i'll do. Females always wanna bump there gums about roles until somebody try to check them about theres. Ya'll hanging on to a ideal that was based on oppressing woman and you cant have one without the other.

  • thots from Naija

    Just wanna say it all depends on orientation. Where I'm from (Nigeria), the man ALWAYS picks up the check, unless y'all are buddies or in a serious relationship (then it doesn't matter who pays). On a general note though, it's always strange to us whenever we hang out with you Westerners (Americans, Brits etc) and you insist on splitting the bill & paying your share. The culture here is if I ask you out or invite you to go some place with me, "I'M PAYING"! Paying for drinks, lunch etc is NOT that big a deal, really. But then again like I said, it all boils down to where you're from and your culture.

  • Creole Queen

    I agree with Thots from Naija

    there is a difference with culture and tradition. I am considered a Westerner in your eyes; however, it is my belief that the man pays the bill whether it is the first or last date and it is not about.

    If I ask a friend out, I expect to pay the bill because "I" asked you out... unless we say we are going "dutch".

    With bizness it is different....
    Back to the question about the dinner with Ms. C and the manager. If the writer is doing a freelance piece for both the writer and star's pub, a dutch meal is not insane. The writer is not part of staffing for the mag; therefore, the writer is looked at differently. The freelance writer is trying to prove that they can make the grade with the company by getting the best article they can ...... "boot up and pay up".

    Just another twist on business.

  • cali sunshine

    I think that its not so much about the mans responsibility or even whats right or wrong but about how the man views the woman he is taking out... If he doesnt see it as a "first date" you guys are just hangin out then why would you expect him to pay? and in the same light why shouldnt he think that you should pay your portion... ot sayin either is right or wrong but just my thoughts... you ate so why not expect to pay... however, every man ive dated has gotten offended when i offer to pay my half or put somethin on the bill so i no longer offer....

    As for mrs c she shoould have payed... i mean you could have dogged her in your article that alone is reason enough to make sure you good... lol

  • Such is me

    I agree with da ThRONe, it's a mutual thing.

    I believe a lady should be stronger than that and allowing a man to pay shows she allows herself to succumb to him (superior).

    If your the kind of woman who expects this you are probably a good catch and a great servant to him for the rest of your life (so you actually do pay)

    Split it down the middle until he has won your heart...and establish the grounding rules that you want no matter how gorgeous he is (walk away if its not right) . What is important is that you respect each other (men like that too)

    There are tonnes of gorgeous men without money, its your effort and teamwork that will get you ahead in life. Keep him as a friend until you both have no unsettled debts of the soul and that you are really happy in yourself.

  • Chocolat Beaute’

    Men always offer to take me out ,so i have never had to pay , but if i ever had to i would