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Rules of Engagement: How To Approach a Man

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Back in April, I wrote a post called “Should Women Ask Men Out? (Fear of Rejection).” For those that missed it, the basic premise was that when it comes to courtship all the pressure generally falls on men, while women sit back and either accept or decline their advances. There were varying opinions on either side of the fence. A fair share of men agreed that they wouldn’t mind a woman stepping up to the plate and making the first move. However, an equal amount of women sighted such actions would go against pre-established gender roles (blah blah) or having tried it once and never ever wanting to face that kind of rejection again (boo hoo).

Well, in the midst of all the women crying foul at the idea of asking a man out, one brave female reached out to me the other day saying she was willing to give it a try. Problem was she didn’t know how.

“I often hear, ‘Oh you are so pretty and have such a great personality, how can you be single?’ or ‘You are so busy and intimidating, maybe you should approach a guy first,’” she wrote. “Being that I am clueless as to how a man should be approached, a blog on the issue may help myself and others. Then readers can give you feedback on the outcomes.”

Thanx, Devoted Daily Reader, that’s actually a pretty good idea. Making a suggestion is one thing, but providing some real advice is always better.

When it comes to dating I’m a pretty simple guy, but I can be a bit aloof when it comes to women. What she may view as a clear sign of interest will probably fly right over my head. Even when I get an inkling that a woman might be interested, I have this annoying habit of finding some rationale that leads me to conclude that I’m not her type or I’m merely imagining things. The few times where a woman has asked me out successfully it was never about coy attempts at flirting but clear cut signs of interest. Whether or not we went anywhere came down to mutual attraction and chemistry. Most importantly, though, it was all about honesty.

I’m just one man with an opinion, and if I’ve learned anything over the years is that I don’t always think or view things the way the next person would. Rather than just giving my two cents on how a woman should approach a man, I opened the question up to my male brain trust and got an interesting mix of answers—some I agree with and others not so much—from the fellas. All in all, men like to feel wanted too. Ladies, you may agree or you may protest when it comes to asking a guy out, but this is how real men in the real world think. Well, at least the ones I know.

Speak your piece…

MR. DIRECT
“Just be natural. Nothing, absolutely nothing beats that. But I can understand that being hard for a lot of them because they’re not ‘trained’ in the art of approaching men. A woman can simply say, ‘I like you, let’s talk more, let’s go out or something,’ or something like, ‘I think you should ask me out, because I’ll say yes if you do.’ If the dude is interested, you got him right there. Just keep it light, because I hear that [asking a guy out] can actually scare off some dudes. With talk like that I don’t see how on Earth someone can think you sound ‘desperate,’ so to speak. More women should know that dudes love to see a grown woman get all softie because they like them. Show it, dammit!
Must be absolute hell for women to put their necks on the line like men do, but hey, you gotta pay to play.”

“…Wait up, if the chick is not attractive or fat, then these rules go out the window. Mutual attraction is VERY important. If you’re not then you should just randomly start bringing by pizza or something. They gotta do whatever it takes to win, even if it means being a sugar mama, or giving the world’s greatest head. Whatever it takes. LOL.”

MR. QUICK WIT
“A woman approaching a man doesn’t come off desperate in my opinion. She comes off confident and aggressive. I personally love that. From experience, girls that approach me are almost always clever. There’s always something slick or original to their approach. But since being clever is not given to everybody, the others should just strike up a conversation and slowly ease into asking the guy out. We aren’t as picky as girls. There aren’t ‘no-nos’ as far as girls hollering. The only no-no is a girl I'm not attracted to. No matter how good the approach was, I gotta be attracted to you for it to work. I say don’t over-think it. If you want him, step to him.”

MR. BARTENDER
“It’s really simple. When women approach us it’s a big turn-on. Just flirting hard or buying us a drink at a bar is good enough. Buying a drink is a major, big time turn-on for me. It cuts down the BS.”

MR. BUSY BODY
“If a woman wants to ask me out
I'm right here. I like what I like, but I enjoy surprises too. So, if she has tickets to the game, great! But if she wants to go to a nice eatery or something, that’s nice too. I’ve never been asked out per say, but I have been, er, aggressively informed that this one woman wanted to go out—badly. Ha ha. I say just go ahead and ask, and be prepared to pay. Because for me personally, I hate when women call me wanting to go somewhere but not want to pay. It’s not that I don’t mind, but it’s you that asked. So when you do that (repeatedly) it comes off as if you only call when you want something to eat, not because you enjoy my company. But, yeah, go ahead and just ask. But try to get a feel for a man’s schedule and ask according to that. And know that either way, if we really want to be around you, we will make the time.”

MR. SIMPLE
“It doesn’t matter when or where a woman asks a man out. I’ve noticed that most women are either shy or afraid of rejection. So they often don't approach guys, but in my cases, women have approached me in bars, clubs, and told me that they're interested. In fact, I'm more impressed and turned on if a woman comes to me with confidence and is interested in getting to no me better. All she has to do is stir up a casual convo and let it lead from there. Nothing more, nothing less.”

MR. FRIENDLY
“You know I did have this ONE chick buy me a drink and walk off. The shit was very strange. I think the easiest way for a woman to approach a man would be to act friendly and introduce yourself. Different settings would require different methods, but a friendly smile means hello in most languages.”

MR. BASIC
“If a woman wants to show me that she’s interested in me and wants to ask me out, she should start by being witty with her conversation. Drop flirtatious hints and maintain eye contact. She should have a place in mind, just to show that she's about teaching a brotha something, but if she just wants to go for a drink and talk, that's cool too.”

MR. TECHNOLOGY
“Definitely the worst way to approach a man is to throw out the, ‘So, when are we gonna hang out’ phrase. Me and my boys hear that and to us that just positions you as the ‘straight-to-the-sack’ type. The best way for a girl to approach is through convo, maybe through AIM, email or text. Just some good, cool convo. Guys love to talk about themselves, and if a girl is interested in him she wants to know about him anyway, so just ask and sit back. Then, after a good convo or two, hit him with, ‘We should talk in person, over lunch, or go to the movies.’ Guys can want a fat booty, and if they do, they're gonna go after it themselves. But for most, who have on blinders for booty only, you and he will win with a good convo that's not too direct and has the potential to blossom into something. Catch him with charm, jokes, and intelligence, and those short messages will leave him wanting to talk more. That’s what gets me.”

MR. APPROACHABLE
“Overall, it can be as simple as her starting up a conversation. I’ve been befriended by women before and as long as she keeps amiable and confident, I'll be receptive. I won't front; I usually expect a woman to just flirt with me and wait for me to make the first move. But confidence is the main thing. If a woman shows genuine confidence and asks me out, I'm more likely to be receptive. There's no specific scenario I require, at all; just sincerity and amiability—and a nice smile.”

MR. SENSIBLE
“Men and women are different in important ways, but we'd all do well to consider the things that make us alike, and make us all human. Therefore, the Golden Rule applies here: Do Unto Others, etc. Most women don’t want canned or rehearsed or insincere pick-ups lines, right? Suggesting they should refrain from using them on men they’re interested in should be a no-brainer. Most women like a drink as a gesture of class and largesse, right? I’d bet most men do, too. Most women like a genuine, maybe funny, maybe observant introduction (‘Hey, that martini glass must have half a dozen olives in it! You should try the olive tapenade appetizer if you like olives so much, my treat.’) I suspect most worthwhile men would appreciate that as well.”

“Women should also not take rejection or a lack of enthusiasm personally. Men often build up a tolerance for rejection from women over time (mature ones, anyway), stemming from being shot down over the years in search of ‘The One,’ or at least ‘The One For Now.’ (Some men have even gotten to the point where they just hold down their square and shoot game at female after female after female, the way a telemarketer cold-calls every Smith and Jones in the phone book till they get their sales quota). Of course I’m not suggesting that extreme, since the mark of a slut—male or female—is arguably a low-to-no standard in who they will get busy with aka ‘Who will I do? Anybody will do.’ But in order to be at one's best in breaking the ice with a cute stranger, they can't let desperation or fear show. It has to be all grace, all charm, and all swagger. That only emerges when the Inner Hater's doubts (we all have one, we all hear him or her talking us out of Seizing the Day) are put on mute.”

“Finally, many a man has complained about the woman who, on the first meet or first date, talks incessantly about herself and shows little interest in the guy listening. Some men have even incorporated this into their ‘game’—keep her talking about herself! However, in this day and age such indifference to getting to know the guy you're pushing up on is foolish if not dangerous. Don’t fall into the habit of finding strong and silent, or adaptable and endearing to be so irresistible that you end up falling for whom you've assumed this guy is, and not who he REALLY is. Plus, the guy might peg you as self-absorbed and write you off for anything long-term.”

“So ladies, mind your manners, find something fun to observe and remark upon (shows you are paying attention, and who doesn’t like attention from someone they think is cute or cool?), show genuine interest, be considerate and enjoy the flirty give and take! At the end of the day, genuine chemistry is genuine chemistry, and if you feel it he probably feels it too. Picking him up at that point should be a piece of cake, if he hasn’t already moved to pick you up—or book your digits—by then. Best of luck, ladies!”

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  • Abina

    I find approaching men fun. It's not always that way but for the most part, it's quite pleasant.

    If I feel like playing games then I start with an unusual compliment and keep it moving. Sometimes they follow, sometimes they don't. Other times, they wait 30 minutes or so before they approach me.

    If I feel like being direct then I let him know how physically attractive he is and how I wonder if his personality is the same.

    Sometimes I just want to have a conversation with a guy and will ask open-ended questions to spark something. I find that this is the easiest way to build up my confidence. It doesn't always have to be about getting his number.

    At the end of the day, it's just about confidence and not expecting too much. Although I find myself attractive, I know that I am not every man's type, so if I guy lets me know that he's not interested then I keep it moving. I'm not gonna lie though, it does bruise the ego a little bit, but I think about all of the egos I may have bruised and just remember that it's all about preferences and timing.

    Good luck to any ladies who plan on approaching men. Smile, show them you're intelligent and witty, and that you've got what the next pretty girl may not have: personality!

  • ~sWeEtnEsS~

    good post... definitely needed this advice. i am one of those chicks who is not scared to approach a guy, so this applies...

  • Latsyrc41

    Can't do it.

  • SWEET SHANI

    Thanks for responding to my email request so quickly about this topic. I told some of my friends (most single) to make sure they read this. Hopefully, you will gain readership out of it, as well.

    I definitely picked up some tips and gained much needed insight of men's thoughts.

    I will most certainly leave update(s) on my outcome(s), IF u and ur readers are curious to know....

  • Latsyrc41

    It WAS great to get the guy's perspective tho. Thanks.

    Happy hunting Sweet Shani!

  • SWEET SHANI

    Thanks @Latsyrc41 :O)

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Men will go out with any woman they're attracted to. No game necessary. The problem is AFTER you ask him out, how will he act? Most men (I know) - including friends, relatives, exes, acquaintances - appreciate a woman asking them out BUT they don't end up with that woman long-term because...it was hot food served up on a platter. Sure it's eaten to satisfy a hunger, but is it appreciated as much as the chicken he had to catch, choke, and cut up? No. In a man's world, no effort = no value. If a woman asks a man out, then he's gotta meet her the rest of the way and make some effort too. Otherwise, it's her chasing. And that never ends well. For anything besides a one-night-stand/booty call situation.

  • SWEET SHANI

    @Jazzy: I see ur point and that wasn't going to be my intention either. I and others wanted to get a man's tips & perspective on a woman approaching a guy to open the door for him to pursue and/or the woman showing the interest first. I surely don't want or plan to have to wear the pants in the situation/relationship.....at least not all the time lol.

    But you do have a good point :)

  • July

    @NWSO
    "or having tried it once and never ever wanting to face that kind of rejection again (boo hoo)."

    "Boo Hoo!" Why you gotta throw salt on the wound like that huh? :-)

    Anyway...Jazzy you so hit the nail on the head there! What happens after you ask him out? If you like a guy that much to go against the norm only to have him have fun with you then throw you away once the thrill is gone is enough reason to make me not want to ask any guy out.

    Unless I am just down to have a good time, which is hardly ever coz I am a prude like that, I just won't do it. I just don't believe any long term relationship will come out of asking a guy out.

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @July

    Yeah, Jazzy has a point, in fact MR. TECHNOLOGY raised similar point that it's a slippery slope.

    But we can't look at every situation with one broad stroke. So any girl that asks a guy out is an easy lay to a guy? Maybe to some, but we don't all think that way. Also, if the guy is an easy-lay type he's an easy lay type regardless of who asks who out. He can chase you just for the draws just the same.

    Devil's Advocate: What if guys started saying, I'm not asking women out because they gonna think I want to get married? Then ain't nobody gonna be dating anybody.

    No wonder we're all single.

    Thank God for Wet Wednesdays. LOL

  • http://Thoughtsof100K.blogspot.com 100K

    I think that women should definitely make the first move if they're interested. I hate making the first move sometimes so I can appreciate a woman who's confident enough to to approach me. Usually its a compliment on my attire with a sly smile or something of that nature.

    Also, with the sudden influx of so called "independent women" over the past few years, surely some of them would be able to approach a man, no?

    Women aren't built to deal with rejection like men are. Simple fact.

  • Elle

    I don't see the big deal. At the end of the day it is us women making the first move most of the times anyways. Granted we do not walk over and ask a guy out. But we send out all kinds of signals and clues to encourage him to come to us. We smile. We play with our hair. We continue to look at him from across the room and so on.

    A guy who doesn't get that is either a) oblivious or b) not interested. Whenever it is a case of obliviousness I would go as far as saying that he isn't interested either simply because everybody notices attractive people (eye problems aside). A man who doesn't notice me and my signals doesn't find me attractive. Which in turn means there is no use in going overboard and asking him out when at best it would end up being a "mercy date".

    Ergo: women make sublte first moves and it is on yall to get the clues. If you don't, you don't want us to begin with.

    Logical, ain't it?

  • http://Thoughtsof100K.blogspot.com 100K

    I wish more women would be like you.

    Also, most men forget that nonverbal communication is more effective than verbal communication. I look for "that look" when I go out. If you know what I mean, you know what I mean.

  • AmandaAmandaAmandaHustlerwitapen

    I must admit that like must females I have shied away from approaching a dude because of sheer nervousness and fear. But now looking back on past missed opportunities I realized that my lack of action came mainly due to a poor self-image. Due to the fact of my self-conscious already ruling out the fact of me deservedly going out with the dude I didn't ask out. Now I know that until I built up the image of myself I will always be afraid to ask a guy out.

  • distinguishedgentlewoman

    Nope. I'm not gonna be able to do it. Not on a date. However, if I feel like there's a connection and he's feeling me, I would probably ask him to hang out as friends and see where that takes us.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Ladies

    If I dude has a lack of respect for you just because you asked him out he probably was going lose respect for something else. If you ask a guy out and you present yourself as respectable and he cant see pass your aggression to get the number you dont want him.

    Sometimes what ladies seem is a curse is a blessing!

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    ladies, ladies...Come on , now. we're not talkin about root canal! Dang, you can TELL y'all really not tryin to be in this new " flip the script " and do something different type of mode...Y'all got more excuses than George Bush ever had...Y'all wanna keep the game as it ALWAYS has been..just bcuz it's safe and familiar.......Anyways, Jazzy did NOT have it correct, but she did highlight a popular, but unfounded fear. U think the divorce rate is high bcuz women asked men to marry them? NOT! Same logic applies, most men (IMO) will not see a woman as easy just bcuz she asked him out. You're easy if you give up the azz without any requirements...lol......but that is the case regardless of whom asked whom out. Most men LOVE to be approached by a woman...and believe it or not, many times a man will at least give you some conversation, maybe do lunch and/or a movie even if he thinks you're not his type--in recognition of your effort to step out on that limb and make a move. I find it MOST appealing and a sign that THIS woman is highly confident about her self and likely is about something. A woman has to have a bit of a swagger on a female tip to do this...It is not for the strictly " cutie on duty " type who think the world revolves around them.....

  • http://www.brandonsaintrandy.wordpress.com Brandon St. Randy

    Elle: In my experience, a lot of women vastly overestimate the effectiveness of their "signals." There are some women who are expert at it (the smile and the eye-fuck are key) but from going out with a lot of my homegirls, most don't know how to get out of their own way when it comes to showing a guy they're interested or responsive. What a lot of women think of as "subtle signs of interest", men read as "why they bitch keep scratching her neck?" Men aren't as intuitive as women, and a lot of women play it a little too demure so they don't put themselves out there for rejection. We just don't pick up on body shifts and batting eyes from across the room sometimes. So sometimes you're gonna have to be slightly more direct. I agree that the man should still make the "close" though i.e, suggesting a date, asking for the phone number, etc. Otherwise we will assume quick jump-off most of the time. Happy hunting.

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    Flirting is a good way to get a man's attention...and you know what? WE pick-up on and enjoy compliments--just like y'all do. Tell a dude something like: nice shoes, or say something like: wow, you sure have strong, broad shoulders, or nice big muscles...or, gee, you have a nice sounding voice, are you in radio? Or, you have beautiful eyes, nice brown skin, a sexy smile...any of that and HE's eating outta your hands, unless he's one of those Shamar Moore, Denzel, Idris look alikes who EXPECTS every woman to want him--then you dealing with a whole different type of person...but don't gage ALL men by that knucklehead bcuz he is NOT representative. Just like some women are too Diva-ish to speak to 'regular men' some dudes are 'special' like that too, at least in their minds....But the rest of us, regular, decent looking and hard working men, we enjoy and respect a woman who flirts, both verbally and non verbally bcuz we KNOW what it's like, to be out on that limb, wondering how it's all gonna work out.....and in this arena, you get madd brownie points--just for trying....:)

  • Optical Illusion

    I broke out of my shell and started approaching the men that interest me. I realize that if I don't I'll be alone forever. The type of men I'm attracted to generally NEVER approach me, so I HAD to step my game up.

    I don't do it all the time. I get shy. I get nervous. But you know what motivates me? MEN! Men are so relentless in their pursuit of a woman. Some of them are laughable and pathetic but you have to admire their tenacity. Also I know that men and women have some of the same issues when it comes to feeling loved and attractive so I will go the extra mile (if I feel ol' boy is worth it) to let the object of my affection know he is definitely wanted by me.

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    LMAO @ what .Brandon wrote..that's some funny but TRUE shyt. I earlier tried to give examples of flirting that are easy for a man to interpret bcuz some of the shyt y'all do is WACK! Like my man said, " scratching your neck and battin your eye are not the best ways to go...but now, if you know how to lick your lips AND do that eye-fuck thing, U onto something, though that might be just a bit over the top if you just trying to talk..lol.......those subtle touches on a man's arm when you're talkin, paying rapt attention to whateva the heck he's talkin about, and laughing at his corny jokes or givin him props in a group ALL garner attention in your direction....just try not to look like you have turrets syndrome or an 'itch' and WE might get it.....but my examples were verbal...we don't miss verbal shyt. Make it plain ladies and keep it simple!

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    I never seen a group of people have it so easy and make up so many excuses. Its so easy for a woman to kick up a conversation. Men if were attracted there not to many things a woman can do or say that will turn us off.

    Females are so wishy-washy when being approached I guess they expect us to be the same!

  • Dray

    Being a little shy I have found it quite hard to approach men but have on occation stepped outside my comfort zone and made the attempt. I've found for me getting to know someone via the internet is a little more comfortable. My friends tell me I'm crazy but like I tell them you can meet someone crazy just walking down the street so what's the difference. I have had the opportunity to meet some very nice men that way. Have even ended up going out with a couple of them.

  • francesca

    I find if I step out of my boundaries and ask a man out-----it has never been worht it--a woman will end up being his nurse maid and end up doing all the work-- i.e calling, panning, even sex----
    there is a lot to be said for a man who can challenge his fear and ego---to go after someone who is he sees as worthy----he will put more effort and time is put into it---this is my experience -- I prefer men to be men-- and be persistent, chase and pursue-----If he cant -- then he does not have anything to offer (emotionally, spiritaully, financially etc)

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @francesca

    Why do you ladies keep connecting asking a guy out with a guy being an asshole? You ever think that just how he is? And maybe he's the same way even when he makes the first move?

    What the hell is a "Man being a man"? Why cant the same rules apply for a women. I could say everytime I ask a women out she expects me to be her sugardaddy, therapist and chauffeur! Some people just expect too much from there mates. Your not going take a nice dude and turn him to an asshole when you asks him out. He was an asshole well before you asked him out!

  • francesca

    Sorry---- da throne

    you do not get it-----you are mixing apples with oranges----

    All women know what it is we want and there is no explanation....

    Women No more lowering expectations bc men cant and wont live by a code on knowing how to act and interact--------

    figure it out---

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @francesca

    With all due respect. Thats bullshit! There is nothing to figure out.

    No "Nice Guy" is just going flip the minute you ask him out. How can you just label a guy who dont approach women as somebody with nothing to offer when you wont approach men. Wouldnt that mean you have nothing to offer as well?

  • Dray

    Francesca I must say that while all of my attempts haven't turned out the way I wanted them to that does not make the man a bad person, just not the one for me for whatever reason. I am like Throne, he was probably an ass long before you met him.

    I also don't agree with your statement that all women know what they want. That is so not true I have lots of friends that have no idea what kind of man they want so they go out with anyone.

    I also agree with Throne when he says that a lot of women are just looking for someone to take care of them but will also add that a lot of men are lookin for their mama's. I feel that as a man or a woman if you can't take care of yourself first you shouldnt even be in a relationship. I have a friend that is 55 years old and is living alone for the first time ever after his recent divorce. He can't cook and just recently learned to do laundry.

  • Naturally_Pretti

    Why does finding a mate have to be so difficult.

    Good Luck Ladies (myself included)

  • http://semi-literate.blogspot.com Netta

    I just like to walk up to guys, raise one eyebrow, smile (just alittle bit) and go "Hey.... How you doin?" It has yet to fail.... Approaching women feels alot more difficult. I'm never sure if they "go that way"...

  • TaiTai

    @francesca:
    I'm a woman, and there are some days I don't know what I want. Several of my female friends are the same way. So lets not put on airs here.

    I concur with Dray, a lot of women just want men to take care of them. Now, don't get me wrong, I do need a man that can hold up his end of the bargain when it comes to a relationship and marriage, cause I want my man to be the head of the house and I kno that's gonna be scary if he can't TCB.

    But right now we are talking 'bout the FIRST STEP. Ask the man out! If he's not interested, 90% of the time, he'll say so then or shortly there after, so you can keep it movin'. If he acts like a hound, he was a hound before you asked and he'll be a hound after.

    I think some folks need to be big little women and get over that whole fear of rejection thing...its really not that big a deal. I mean, since we are the STRONGER sex, we should start acting like it! I've been turned down, and most of the time, they are genuinely impressed that you have the chutzpah to approach, even if they aren't interested. Plus, its good for you to assert yourself. You want it, go get it! Aren't we like that in all other aspects of our lives?

  • http://www.brandonsaintrandy.wordpress.com Brandon St. Randy

    @naturally_pretti because anything worth having takes work. Anything worth having in a competitive environment takes even more work.

    "Part of the problem is that people think you get what they deserve. You don't. You get what you work, hustle, cheat, steal, and strong-arm for, and then you still usually have to rely on some luck to get it done. People are fine with this in every other are of life BUT relationships. You work hard in school, you take extra LSAT classes, you stay at work til midnight, cause you won't settle for a mediocre career, but then expect a perfect mate to fall from the sky into your lap."

    -Brandon St. Randy-

    (I know quoting oneself is typically considered to be in very poor taste, but I never claimed to be an upstanding guy)

  • Dray

    @TaiTai

    I didnt want to give the impression that I am a superwoman and can do it all alone. That is far from the truth but I do know how to hold my own. I also agree that the man is the head of the house and I fully respect him in that role and expect him to step up to the plate.

    However, like you said we are only dealing with the first step. I think its outdated to believe that a woman isn't supposed to make the first move but there are many people still teaching that and living by that rule. While I am shy I love to flirt a little strike up a good conversation and see where it goes from there. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. I will say this though that there is nothing better than a man that can make good conversation whether it be sports, politics whatever.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Hi all. I wrote what I wrote while high on baby aspirin in the early am. I'm surprised it was even lucid. That's my retro-disclaimer.

    Now that it's morning and I've re-read it, I still agree with myself BUT I wanna add personal experiences.

    I'm a mixture of shy and assertive and have behaved in both ways around a man I'm interested in. Most of the time, men approach me...and I find myself more interested in the ones who take their time feeling me out BEFORE they approach. Why? I don't like to feel pressured by the in-my-face guy. That said, if they take too long to approach (keep staring but don't come over), I begin liking them even more (patience is sexy in a man because I have none) and start to pursue...The few times this has happened have resulted in a mixed bag.

    One co-worker who I was very attracted to used to flirt with me all of the time but never ask me out...so after a few months, I asked him out to a comedy club. We went out, had fun, it was cool. After that, he still flirted but that's it. It frustrated me so bad, I transferred to another department. You know what he told me years later? I was "too fast" for him. What?! First of all, I was a virgin (at the time) and wasn't trying to jump his bones (although the dreams I had about him would make him BLUSH if I told him.), so I didn't know what he meant by that. My personal nickname for him was "Turtle" (self-explanatory right?). That was my 1st time explicitly asking a guy out (I was 19). And I haven't really done it since because of that experience...Now, I pursue by just letting them know that I'd be interested if they wanted to ask me out by being my naturally friendly self. Works like a charm. :-) I think the key thing is make the guy feel like he won't be rejected if he puts himself out there on a limb and he will approach you if he's interested. Even the really shy ones (the kind I like).

    Good luck!

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Ladies

    What exactly is "Head of the household" means? I have my meaning for it in based on my understanding there is no need for the man to fill that role. It should be who ever is best for the household not just a man.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Oh, I just wanna add this...the approach really depends on your personality/comfort zone and what type of men you like:

    An aggressive, Alpha male who likes to hunt his women will NOT appreciate you chasing HIM. He might be turned on by your assertiveness, but this is the the guy who will sex you and leave you after the thrill is gone.

    The coffeeshop/poet guy will probably appreciate you approaching him cerebrally. If he likes your style/mind, he'll do the rest.

    The emo/sensitive guy will appreciate you approaching him AND taking charge so he won't have to. He's basically a woman in a man's body.

    The cool, around-the-way-guy will appreciate you approaching him but not if you're chasing him and won't let him breathe. Letting him know you're interested and then leaving it at that works with this guy.

    So those are broad categories. Most guys don't fit into just one, but that's a start.

  • MsRenise

    There is nothing more sexy than to see a handsome man walking across the room with you as his target. I get a kick out of that stuff. What will he say? Will he try to impress me, make me laugh, be straight-forward? It's all so exciting. I have approached a few men before and it has never really worked out in my favor. When you are "independent" and aggressive guys seem to get very intimidated. I tend to tone all of that down with a bit of shyness to balance the interaction, otherwise I would be running the whole show with some of these guys.
    I like to see that a man knows what he wants and is willing to take that leap to pursue it. Afterward I can feel free to do a little pursuing of my own.

  • Dray

    @ Brandon & DC,

    I was talking to my 21 year old daughter the other day and she was telling me she liked this dude and was saying she was scared to ask him out. She said she had hinted around about it and all this other mess. I told just what ya'll said. All that other shyt does not work, men are simple. If you like him let him know, lay your cards on the table. If he says no oh well keep it movin. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you. If he says yes you better be able to back up all the talk.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    With so few good mates(male or female) in this world if you completely disguard one(a good mate) simply because of how who approached who. This person is a dumbass in my book! And would be trouble to begin with!

  • http://youspeakonit.blogspot.com miss_eboni

    YIKES!!! The thought of actually approaching a guy scares the HELL out of me!! I dont think I could honestly ever do it. I have been priviledged never to have to resort to those measures but I honestly have gained a new insight today. I understand now not also why they like to be pursued but also, unrelatedly, why they cheat. I can see how men could be tempted to stray if a woman is constantly pursuing them because it may be something they are not use to and it excites them. But that just be me looking too far into it, I dont know. Great advice in the article but I am unsure if i am going to be taking it anytime soon..lol.. loves it

    http://youspeakonit.blogspot.com

  • http://www.brandonsaintrandy.wordpress.com Brandon St. Randy

    @Dray. I might have been guilty of oversimplifying a little. There's a really thin line, and I do kind of feel badly for women here, because it can get real complex. I'm all kind of a caveman myself, so while I like for women to give me clear signals that they're receptive, if they're straight up asking me out, sometimes that kills the joy of the chase. If she's hinted strongly that she's receptive and he's not making a move, she should keep it moving. Worst case, He's not interested and she loses nothing. Best case, he gets that fear of loss in him when he realizes she's not going to just sit around and wait for him and he'll pursue.

    I know it all sounds kind of "game-ish" but psychology does play a major role in attraction.

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    lmao @ Dray saying: Men are simple...Was that an under handed low blow? I can't front, you're right, we are...lol...regarding the alpha male, he's over rated once you get away from sales jobs and breaking rocks with your feet..Unless you just dying to be a woman who is kept at home, bare foot and pregnant. While this has been an interesting discussion, at the end of the day, it's still gonna be: Different strokes, for different folks. The bottom line is: Do you, whatever that means, whatever it evolves to, whatever makes you feel whole and whateva you think works for you. Just know there are many lovely, sexy, talented, educated women at home..alone...and not by choice. There are STILL what we used to call " old maids " dying alone becuz they neva quite got a man to commit to be with her for one reason or another. Who knows what your future holds? Just as Black women are being encouraged to date outside their race becuz of statistics about the Black man...This may also be another opportunity for change that is positive and life changing--all to the better. Keep an open mind even if it's not for you..maybe a friend will find her soul mate based on applying some of the methods discussed in this blog topic and she'll need your support and encouragement, not an attitude that suggests she's desperate or out of balance.......don't block someone elses blessing, just bcuz it ain't for you...

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Brandon St.Randy

    Thats lil boy type shit. If you would be willing to throw away a chance at a great female just because her asking you out "ruins the chase". A relationship is not based on a chase. Thats why people get bored in relationships there in it for the wrong reasons. A fine ass sista is still going be fine after she walks up to me and give me her number.

  • Meccanisim

    @ miss_eboni
    You're not looking far enough. A man who makes the first move all the time and still cheats can just as quickly say "I'm always coming after her and it doesn't feel like she wants me. The other woman showed me the attention she wouldn't." See how easy that was? A cheater will cheat and people who do wrong are normally good at finding a way to justify it.

    @Brandon St. Randy
    If the woman approaching you is fine as hell, I'm sure you look RIGHT PAST her killing "the joy of the chase." lol, knock it off. And understand that the "game-ish" style may appeal to you but not all of us guys can dig it. I don't dig signals because they can be misunderstood way easier than words. If your stepping to someone, commit to it and say something. That's confidence to me

  • Latsyrc41

    This has been very enlightening. Thank you all!

  • Dray

    @DC

    No I wasn't trying to take a jab at men. I don't mean simple as in stupid but simple as in not complicated. Men are very matter of fact I have found out in my few years here on this earth. While a womans likes and dislikes can change from minute to minute a mans usually stay the same. Women have alot of gray areas men are usually black and white very matter of fact. Now having said this I do realize that there are always exceptions to that rule. Anyway I do agree that a person needs to do whatever works for them some women will never approach a man no matter what is said and other women do it all the time and don't think anything about it. You are correct about the Alpha Male type man, that is not the type of man I want and although some women think they like that I think they would find it a bit much.

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    @ Dray...you're funny. No need to be all apologetic, this really ain't that deep. We can take a blow (pun intended) and keep it movin...I didn't even consider you could be trying to say men were generally stupid, though that's a funny concept too....as you state, men are generally black and white, straight forward, problem/solution orientated. Except, as someone else eloquently stated, when it comes to the opposite sex. And that actually applies to BOTH sexes. Generally we're all kinda awkward, out the box, unusual when it comes to mate selection and sex.

  • Dray

    @Dc

    I'm funny? What about you...You are so correct in that I think all rules and regulations go out the window when dealing with the opposit sex. You just gotta go with how ya feel at the moment and hope its the right thing to do. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. Ya live and ya learn.

  • Meccanisim

    @DC @ Dray
    Looks like sparks to me!
    lol

  • ms_shai

    Hmmm. I'm torn on this topic. Even though i've been all about coming out of my shell lately and approaching a guy seems like less of a no no there are still several things that im at odds with here. Some are common and some are maybe more unique to me.

    1) Can you approach a guy and then reject him? Is that when you get the number anyway and don't call or can you stalk off mid-sentence? I'm very mental when it comes to attraction. Yes i care what a dude looks like but his mind is where this is gonna be won or lost. So what he says after my introduction is gonna determine whether i've made a mistake. I'm sure guys do this to to an extent but as y'all have proclaimed you are far less picky. All you cats getting excited about being approached still have to jump the second hurdle of maintaining her interest.

    2) I'll approach but I can't see myself taking no DUDE out on a date and treating him. I know its old fashioned but its just not something that I think that a female should do. I feel like certain things set the tone for the rest of the relationship, and i'm not interested in bein a sugar mama. Given some of the requests that guys who have asked ME out have made on my pocketbook i dont think i'm being dramatic here. NO i'm not the type that expects to be pampered indefinitely but atleast during courtship, foot the damn bill. When i'm on your team then i'll be a team player but until then I need incentives.

    3) I'm a glamazon. I'm attractive but i'm tall and solid (:see Queen Latifah ex. Living Single season 1), which I also love but I suppose can be intimidating. i'm 5'9", 6' in ill heels and I always wondered -
    Guys, is it only cute when a petite chick is forward with you, or would someone like me be more apt to come off ...scary and dude-like?

  • Naturally_Pretti

    @Brandon St. Randy

    That’s an interesting statement, “…anything worth having takes work.” The statement implies that if a person is not working for the object in question, then it holds little value. I figure that very statement is the same reason some men would rather purse then be pursed. It is also a belief that is widely accepted in every part of life INCLUDING dating (this behavior just so happens to be characterized as a male gender role and not a female gender role when it comes to relationships). So, it should make sense that women want to feel like they are “worth” being pursed. Perhaps being pursed creates a sense of comfort that you do in fact feel they are “worth having.” Times are changing but for the most part we still live in a male dominated society and many men and women operate within that capacity. With that said, the statement (not question), “Why does finding a mate have to be so difficult” is more of an aspiration. A woman can dream can’t she?! :-)

  • Dray

    @Meccanisim

    Uh oh behave now...I told you before I love a man that can conversate and can take it as well as give it...

  • Naturally_Pretti

    Correction: PURSUE!!!!! sorry about that.

  • Dray

    @Ms_Shai

    Interesting questions. Can't wait to hear the answers.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @ms Shai

    Its funny that when a man exzibit selfish tendencies hes is no good. But when a lady exzibit the same tendencies its ole fashion?

  • Anonymous

    Jazzy, you hit the nail on the head. I am a female and I agree with what you said.
    Thanks for the advice, both NWSO and Jazzy!

  • http://www.brandonsaintrandy.wordpress.com Brandon St. Randy

    @da throne quality women typically don't walk up on you blind and just give you their number with no prior acknowledgment. They may open up the conversation, but at the end of the day, you as a man should be the one closing the deal. What's next, is she supposed to open doors for me and pay for my meal too? Buy me flowers and shit? At the end of the day, I have to value this woman to make the relationship work. And if I'm not putting in any work, how am I supposed to feel that she's worth me sticking around for? If a woman is giving me clear signs she's interested (not just scratching her neck) and I'm still not responding, it means that I'm not into her. Her trying to force the issue is just going to end up with her getting played because she's more into me than I am into her. THAT'S what leads to people getting bored in relationships.

    @meccansim: Agreed, confidence is sexy. And there's a thin line between the confidence to approach a man and looking desperate. Some women can do it very well. Some can't.

    @naturally_pretti: I'm in your corner all the way. Don't stop believing.

  • http://www.myspace.com/gettinkinky Gettin Kinky w/ Chia

    I love this topic! For my own curiosity (and sometimes just cuz I thought I was "inlove" ;) I have tried several different methods of picking up guys. My confidence is always in tact, although I must admit there is sumthing intimidating about a guy I really like.here's my experience:

    FLIRTY: I notice when I'm flirty its hard not to give the guy the wrong idea. I'm a very sexual person but even if I'm sexually attracted to u, it doesn't mean I can't wait to spread my legs.

    CONSERVATIVE: when I've tried the conservative approach I seemed to give off the wrong impression as well. Its funny that when a girl makes it clear she's intelligent and not promiscuous, its assumed that she wants a serious relationship right away.

    DIRECT: sometimes I think men don't know how to act when a woman exactly knows what she wants.

    In my experience, if a man is interested in me, he'll approach me. And if he doesn't, there's usually a good reason. So even if I were to get him the relationship doesn't work out anyway. Just one piece of advice ladies; if ur gunna try to get him, make sure u find out if he has a girl first.. Trust me ;) lol

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @ Dray

    you mean "converse." Biggie lied, conversate is not a word. lol

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @Naturally Pretti

    There's an edit comment function, you just have to do it within 5 mins after you post. then it's locked

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Brandon St. Randy

    Women dont typically walk up to dudes period. How can you just sterotype a whole group of women with no kinda proof. In a relationship it is just much her responsibilty to earn your love as it is yours to earn hers. I wouldnt even date a chick who was to much on here high horse to treat me to dinner and a movie. I have no problems spoiling my shorty but the feeling better be mutual or Im bouncing.

    Who says because a chick gives you her number she dont have standards? Thats just silly talk. Two people dont have to be into each other the same amount in the beginning. Its not even a realistic idea that two people would be.

    Why would a person wanna fell like there chasing there mate everyday?

  • Belle

    i'm with da throne on this one.

    i dunno that most men are with you on that one BSt.R. My guys like a forward woman. She makes it clear she is interested and he should call. And they take it from there. They respect a woman who knows what she wants.

    She saw something she liked and hollered. Doesn't mean she's more interested. She doesn't know you. You're just another pretty face.

    I don't run up on guys and hand out my number. I'm more a smile and say hi type. It's only failed me once in 3 years. My ex: i sent a mutal friend across the room (a male) to find out what was up with him. He came over and told me I should have just come over if i was interested because he certainly was. My current: I blurted out one day, "I have a huge crush on you!" WE took it from there.

  • distinguishedgentlewoman

    @ NWSO:

    How dare you call Biggie a liar? LOL.

    Actually, according to Webster 11---and to my dismay---"conversate" is now a word. UGH! I say we petition to have it removed from the dictionary.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    I agree with everything Ms_Shai said #1 and #2 (but not #3 cuz I'm not a "glamazon" lol only 5'5 here). Otherwise, thumbs up!

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    NWSO, "conversate" is a WONDERFUL word. Welcome it to the 2009 dictionary. :-)

  • http://www.brandonsaintrandy.wordpress.com Brandon St. Randy

    @belle: everyone's entitled to their opinion. If you like it, I love it. I just speak from my experience: My last three GIRLFRIENDS: I pursued them. Cut buddies: There it goes into 50/50 territory. I don't have a problem with a woman letting it be known that she's interested and available. What I will say is that if you let that be known and I take no further action, what does it say about my interest in you?

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Off-topic: I hate the word "converse". I don't wanna have SHOES with you. I wanna have nice conversation...conversate :-)

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Thanks and you're welcome Anonymous. So what are you gonna do? Updates :-)

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    @Brandon St Randy

    Yep, see you are like the men I know. Thanks for being honest. Men have different expectations for girlfriends vs. wives. vs. cut buddies. And which category a woman falls into DEPENDS ON HOW SHE BEHAVES b/c a man will have sex with all three!

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    A woman approaching a man...don't do it. As liberated as I am ...I am a strong believer in a man doing the approaching.When in Rome...do as the Romans do...the rules exists whether we like them or not.

    I have done my fair share of approaching...and despite the initial being flattered and all that good stuff the men ALWAYS back tracked.

    A man WANTS to be the pursuer...actually with the caliber of women today...he NEEDS to be the pursuer...let him do it!!And frankly...I need a man with some backbone and some strong balls...no pussy cats for me.I go out and dudes just stare at me...the cat that steps to me gets mad cool points.The cat that I step to gets one dance.No joke.If I approach you...you're not getting my number.

    Guys that do the approaching make a bigger effort to impress you...men that are approached feel like they won the lotto or something and just wait to be "paid"...whether its in being taken to dinner and the movies or expecting sex.

    And i pay for the 2nd date so no...guys don't have to shell out ALL the money for every date we go on.But with gender roles that exist already...to a certain extent...I find works better as is.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    I dont understand if the goal of a relationship is to be with somebody til death. What difference does it make how the first 5mins play out and who was the aggressor? Or for my "Strong Independent Women" i-n-d-e-p-e-n-d-e-n-t(Weebie style) if paying for a 30 dollar dinner can lead to a soulmate is it not worth it?

    I do agree with Brandon St. Randy that anything worth having is worth working hard for or even putting aside some of your foolish pride for!

  • boomsilent

    Yes, this discussion is good..I have a different thinking than most I sometimes think.

    *Queens edit:

    Even though I understand the thrill of the chase, I still find it relatively bizarre that a (somewhat) aggressive woman can be taken for desperate or overbearing. Like dudes was saying, a woman that can approach a dude she is interested in shows that she will go after things that she wants- and thats pretty telling in a mate. And its so much more sexy. I love when women are straightforward- and that doesn't mean spelling out "h-e-y m-a-n i l-i-k-e y-o-u". I have always been one for just cutting to the chase. Baby, we going to do this or what? Wrap it up. So a woman with withy-washy behavior normally drives me insane.

    I'm all for a women just speaking their piece, with no BS. The problem is women, for better or worse, are the masters of doublespeak. Say one thing, do another, or think another- any honest woman will attest to that. It's really sad because it makes everything a lot harder than it should. Dudes have to be all-in, because even if you wouldn't mind talking to a dude, yall will walk on by, like you are saving face or something- and really just missing out on a potentially good dude that WANTS to know you. Women dont understand that their actions- or lack thereof- create "the game" that us grown folk hate to play. American dating culture fail.

    I'll take the aggressive women all day every day. Come to poppa!

    *East New York edit:

    Yall dudes can have them chicks that dont want to do anything but sit the corner and look pretty. Keep em. Women in the NYC area are super - gassed, because in many other places, the ratio is like 7-1, and the women be PRAYING a guy will talk to them. That's straight from the horses mouth, not even my personal opinion.

    Women dont want to approach, they dont want to pay, dont want to look aggressive....well what the blazes do yall WANT to do, besides cop that free meal? Let's hear THAT. Nah, they want prince charming, the old whitey story of being 'stumbled upon' by the prince in the golden armor. Adding insult to injury, some women need to understand what 'carrying yourself' means.

    And all of that "man being a man" garbage, women yall need to zip that up- a woman wont even teach the next woman how to be a proper lady. They will either laugh at them or talk behind their back. A woman should be a woman, and have some class. When you have that, then you can tell a man how he should be. When I hear a woman talk like that, I start questioning your intelligence, or apparent lack thereoff.

    Just like dudes gotta "man-up", ladies need to "wo-man- up". Along with the ass, there has to be some class. And it's like that.
    :)

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    @DaThrone

    "Or for my "Strong Independent Women" i-n-d-e-p-e-n-d-e-n-t(Weebie style) if paying for a 30 dollar dinner can lead to a soulmate is it not worth it?"

    What? This makes no sense. Men who want women to pursue them are lazy, which is the bigger issue here than whether the dinner is paid for on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 1000th date by the man or the woman.

    If you want details/explanations, see paulette-BAJAN-gal's post. I don't have time to explain ABC's to someone. I like people who can already read.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Best dating advice I ever received is "Be you." If you're being yourself when you meet someone (whether that's chasing them down in a car or waiting patiently for them to notice you), then the results will be in your favor. The people who aren't feeling your natural approach aren't feeling YOU, so they eliminated themselves for you. Thank them.

    My soulmate is the man who understands gray areas of life and enjoys that I'm consistently inconsistent.

    To all of the women wondering what they should do and how they should approach a guy, dare to be yourself.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    Its funny how everybody loves the rules when there on there side.

    If I use those same rules to pigeon hold a lady females would lose there mind.

    @Jazzy

    How does asking a dude out and picking up the check make no sense. It funny it make prefect sense when the man does it! If that makes us lazy expecting a man to do it makes you a golddigger!

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Like I already wrote, see paulette-BAJAN-gal’s post. I don't teach people how to read.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    By the way, @DaThrone the answer to your question is in the same sentence that you quoted from my comment, so you must have stopped reading at "lazy". Figures.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @paulette

    Im a man how you gone tell me what I want. Once again if I used that logic to hold you back you are not going wanna here it. Like a woman cant be a Doctor or a Lawyer then ya'll piss ,but it cool to get a free meal!

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Jazzy

    If you choose to go through life taking advantage of your sex then that doesnt speak well about the person you are.

  • http://myspace.com/limearth Ru-Sel

    Your blog/research was interesting and informative and I may be be wrong in my conclusion but, basically, just "be yourself (if you are not an asshole) and approach a man of interest, chat, go from there-yes? Doesn't work. Men want or would like a woman to approach them but when it happens they get a little scary and start to send a weird vibe in the air that a woman can pick up on and save her breath. I have done this. I have come to the realization that maybe I am not what a real man is interested in, not at all sure why but that is my rationale. I have a brain, (and I know how to use it, uh oh...;>) didn't come from ugly people, not skinny but not sloppy, very uncommon but well mannered and always optimistic. I've always considered my self to be very approachable, but not any more. I seem to confuse/turn men on which is the worst combination ever. When I am out and I am having great conversation with an attractive gentleman, he is completely unavailable or doesn't live in my city/state. I have decided to pause for the cause on this subject since I am at a loss in this field. My link is posted with this comment, somebody check me out and let me know if I am off, I'm open minded. Besides, I must be doing something wrong!..haahaa

    Arrite, that's my peace

    Oh yeah, didn't know that when a woman says to a man, "let's hang out" that makes her booty-hittin material, good to know.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Just to sweeten this conversation up, let's move out of hypothetical world...and into reality: On a certain African island, the tradition is for women to propose to men. The divorce rate is damn near non-existent there. Why? Because women generally make better choices when it comes to long-term mate selection. While men focus on physical attraction, women tend to think beyond initial infatuation to evaluate a man as a potential provider. When the choice is in the woman's hands and the man is left to decide yay or nay, things work just fine. Well, here come Westerners who turned the ish around by putting thoughts into the men's heads that THEY should be selecting the women. And guess what happened? Divorce rate rose DRAMATICALLY! Hahahaha! The islanders recognized this and are now trying to reverse the situation by going back to their old ways...

    African-Americans are so twisted up value-wise. Inside, we know what how we want things to be, but we have to fight against our Western teaching. (See "The Making of a Slave" by Willie Lynch for details.)

    Here's the article about the island (funny stuff):
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-02-02-ladies-choice_x.htm

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @Ru-Sel

    Now why would you say that you've come to the conclusion that you're not what a real man wants? If that's your sales pitch, that's a negative energy that a man can pick up on too.

    I say, perhaps who you thought were "real" men where just the wrong men for you. Just because you like someone doesn't mean that they'll like you. Just the way the cookie crumbles. But when two people that are right for each other pair up it's magical.

    End verdict, be yourself, be patient, be positive.

  • http://myspace.com/limearth Ru-Sel

    And....to add to that, I am still more open to approaching a man rather than sitting and waiting on one to figure me out.

    Ok, I'm done now

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Ru-Sel

    Omaha thats your problem right there! LMAO

  • http://myspace.com/limearth Ru-Sel

    Dang, that was fast! I try very hard to not secrete negative energy into the atmosphere like that. It is a personal assumption, I am "assuming" this as a conclusion. Anyone that knows me knows I am not at all a negative person, (check my link ;>). I think I see your point though. I guess it is hard for me to understand that just because two people have a lot in common and so many other cool and interesting attributes, they could still not be compatible for each other.

    I can dig it. I think.

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    @ Da Throne...you obviously didn't read what I wrote.I have no problem paying for a second date.there's not a man I've ever dated than would say I was a gold digger looking for a free meal.

    And I most definitely do not want to go out with a fellow that can't afford to cover the 1st date.

    How many of you guys were pursued by a woman and it turned into a relationship??How many of you ladies pursued a man and it turned into a relationship??

    As much as we like to fantasize...reality is very different.Men say they want to be chased but they read "desperate" no matter how amazing a woman is.

  • http://myspace.com/limearth Ru-Sel

    @ Da Throne

    There is nothing wrong with the O.NE....lots of cool people here

    I'm one of em....;)

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    1st *wave at my girl* Paulette Im wrong for not speaking my momma taught me better.

    Yeah I read the whole thing whats the difference between asking my out and paying for date 1 or 2?

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Here's another related article:
    "Senior Black Couple Sets World Record With 84 Year Marriage"

    That's right, people. The longest marriage right now is between a black couple. Remember that the next time someone claims that black love is dead. Btw, check out what the wife says about her husband:

    "He was not mean; he was not a fighter," Zelmrya said. "He was quiet and kind. He was not much to look at but he was sweet."

    LOL! And awww!

    NWSO, your blog post inspired me to write one of my own. :-) (yes I'm quick!)

    http://randomrhymereason.blogspot.com/2009/06/will-you-date-me.html

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    @DaThrone

    "@Jazzy

    If you choose to go through life taking advantage of your sex then that doesnt speak well about the person you are."

    Again, what? Who said anything about taking advantage of my sex? Obviously, you have an issue about paying for dates because you aren't even reading what's actually written. Lay your assumptions down for a second and re-read the words that are actually in front of you before commenting @me next time.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    Well Nobody is reading anybody stuff right!

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    "Well Nobody is reading anybody stuff right!"

    Wrong. Speak(write) for yourself. First I read. Then I comment. That's why we have 2 ears, 2 eyes, and ONE MOUTH. And 10 fingers...wait a minute. Never mind that.

    Speak for yourself.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @jazzy

    You keep arguing with me yo ass going in the dungeon! LMAO!

  • Dray

    @NWSO

    Thanks and I know that conversate is not a word. I was rushing because my boss was coming down the hall. The discussion was great and i just didn't want to get off the computer.

  • Dray

    @NWSO

    Wow it really is a word. Learn something new everyday. However, I guess we should have known they have all types of words I used to get in trouble for using in the dictionary now.

  • cherishb

    This whole article reminded me why I am out of the dating game. I figure it's a hit or a miss. I talked to my husband first. I am a techie kid so convo was easy because so is he. I married him so people saying it won't last isn't true in the end you gotta be confident and upfront.

  • litrisha

    Call me old fashioned but I don't think women should approach men, I mean if you have the guts by all means do so! Me on the other hand I would like the guy to approach me, I mean if I like a guy I might try to make small talk and see if he catches on but if not.......sobeit!
    I definitely would like a guy to approach me because I would have to be like drunk out of my mind to do something like that......LOL
    I commend all the bold ladies though, and is this the reason why Litrisha is STILL SINGLE?????

  • EmotionalFunk

    I've asked out guys several times but its usually someone that I know casually or just struck up a conversation with and find we had a similar interest in something so I just ask casually, hey we should go do (insert activity) together. Some say yes some say no and if the say no oh well but it really isn't a big deal.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    @dathrone

    "@jazzy

    You keep arguing with me yo ass going in the dungeon! LMAO!"

    You push me in the dungeon? I pull you in with me.

  • Elle

    “He was quiet and kind. He was not much to look at but he was sweet.”

    Call me crazy but I wouldn't want my husband to say that about me ... or vice versa.

    I don't think there is an absolute truth on this matter. What works for me does not necessarily work for the next woman or man. We all need to find out own individual truth.

    Personally, I wouldn't approach a stranger and chat it up. I might signal, but that is as far as I am willing to take it. However, if I have caught feelings for a guy I already know or am friends with I would definitely speak on it and let him know.

    Different strategies for different scenarios.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    "Call me crazy but I wouldn’t want my husband to say that about me … or vice versa."

    Elle, they've been married for 84 years. It's only recently that people began marrying for "love". Back then, people put similar values, goals, etc. before feelings. Even though they're not based on "love", those types of marriages usually last longer.

  • Elle

    You are right, Jazzy. Times were different. My grandma married for stability, finacial security and the like.

    But now that we are all self-reliant, security and stability - though still important - aren't necessarily reasons I'd marry for. At least not solely. I've paid my bills the last 10+ years and I will do so until the day I die. Ideally, my mate can bring things to the table - intagible things - I cannot achieve by myself. Maybe I am a hopeless romantic, but I want that gewy, sweet, holding hands after 30 years of being married kind of marriage.

    P.S.: How old are the two? Nearly or over a 100 years old? I'd much more be interested in their secret for a long life :-p

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Hi again Elle :-) Was your grandma happy in her marriage or...just satisfied?

    I think the changing times (and goals/values of I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-T women) are confusing men. If they're not supposed to simply provide $ for the family, then what do they have to offer? Some have taken advantage of the fact that many women don't need them financially anymore to turn into a lazy gigolo...but that's another story (and more on topic right?).

    I'm with you on being a hopeless romantic (it's just buried way deep down under this crusty shell of realism). I guess us women just need to communicate that to men - that we need more than someone who can foot the bill (ya hear that DaThrone?) - even though that doesn't mean that the man should become a bum, either.

    Yep, both of them are over a 100 years old. Amazing huh? Click on the article below to see their picture. They even look alike. lol

    To answer your last question:
    "Herbert was born June 10, 1905. His hearing is going but his mind is sharp. Zelmyra was born Dec. 10, 1907. She uses a walker to get around the house and yard. The two of them can still give their reasons for marrying on May 13, 1924."

    http://livesteez.com/news/read/Senior-Black-Couple-Sets-Record-With-84-Year-Marriage/1706.html

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    "Anyways, Jazzy did NOT have it correct, but she did highlight a popular, but unfounded fear. U think the divorce rate is high bcuz women asked men to marry them? NOT!"

    @DC Man With a Plan

    What's up with men not reading the entire comment before commenting? Did you miss the part of my comment where I wrote:

    -->"If a woman asks a man out, then he’s gotta meet her the rest of the way and make some effort too. <--- Otherwise, it’s her chasing. And that never ends well. For anything besides a one-night-stand/booty call situation."

    Hmm...

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @Jazzy & Elle

    Personally, I think the reason marriages lasted longer back in the day because they had too. Since women were not independent and were homemakers primarily (not saying that was right) the wife depended on the husband to be the breadwinner—good or bad. Plus, there was even more stigma for unwed (divorced) mothers that divorce just wasn't a reality for some no matter if they hated each other's guys, were cheating, etc.

    But I guess once women entered the workforce and marriage got devalued, they put up with less BS in a marriage and were quick to break out with the kids and half his salary. LOL

    Just my theory on why marriages lasted longer back in the day—plus, they just valued marriage more back in the day and saw it for it was (then) a contracted deal for procreation and financial stability. So I guess you're right, "love" ruined the business of marriage.

  • Lonias

    IMO...Marriage still meets the basic needs of both men and women. Men need to be needed and appreciated and women need security. Yes, it's true, these needs CAN be met through various means, but the wisdom I am sure this couple would agree on is that it is so much better to have these needs met at home, with family. Call me a dreamer...

  • http://www.diradiocast.com DJ Ghost

    I'm not one to shy away from approaching a guy (which I do subtly over time) but without fail - even the most aggressive, most scared of nothing, most out there guy holds on to the ball when I kick it to their court. They talk a good game when I'm not in front of them - but clam up when I'm right there saying "so what's up?" ... I pretty much follow all those rules of engagement you list naturally anyway; but as a male friend of mine said to me - I am really intimidating to a man in many ways. Soooooo I'm pretty prepared to be by myself for a long time. (Doesn't mean I won't keep trying though) ;)

  • Ms P

    This has really been an interesting discussion. I have never approached a man(in person). However, online, I have made the first move several times. Not one time has that ever worked for me, even when it is a guy who I constantly see "peeking" at my profile. So if it is not working for me in the cyber world, I definitely can't do face to face! LOL. However, I do smile & make eye contact , but wait, I do that with everyone! Oh well...

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    "Love" exposed the shortcomings of marriage...relationships are necessary...marriage isn't.

    The reality is most relationships will not last over 80 years...a rarity.I'm content with 5 years...cause that seems to be the standard in reality.I would enjoy it while it lasts...whether its 6 months or 10 years than try to break some Olympic record just to keep up with the Jones.Our needs change over time...no guarantee a relationship will morph seamlessly as time goes on.

    Actually...I don't even want a relationship.I'm quite content with my life as is.I have someone I can call when I need some sex.I have amazing friends and I'm financially secure on my own. Read "Feminine Mystique" by Betty Friedan...that put the whole marriage industry in perspective for me.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    Whats with all this talk about man being intimidated by aggressive women? A real man is never intimidated! That should be your first clue that your dealing with a boy and not a man.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    NWSO, yep, that's the fleshed-out version of what I meant. So what do you think about a woman approaching a man for dating/sex/whatever? And I don't mean theoretically. I mean in reality.

  • Elle

    Hey Ms. Jazzy

    Actually, I cannot even answer the question whether my grandma was happy or just satisfied because I never got a chance to meet her. So I am simply basing my statement on hearsay from my mom. My grandma had lost 1 husband to war, 1 to sickness and was self-employed and had 2 kids when she met husband No.3. Although she was one of the early "independent women" I believe she married for financial stability because shes sounds as if she was a very rational woman who didn't allow for too many emotions in her life.

    Based on all of that, I'll go out on a limb and say she was probably content but not happy the way I define it.

    Now how did we get here? This was awfully off topic. Sorry about that.

    -----

    “Love” exposed the shortcomings of marriage.

    Love that!

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @Jazzy

    I think the same rules apply. The man has to be attracted for it to work. Although if it's just a sex thing a man may lower his normal "standard" just for the hit, but that's because men generally don't attach emotion to sex. It's like when the guy sleeps with the "ugly" girl with the bangin' body and don't tell anybody.

    lol

  • boomsilent

    @ Jazzy

    "Because women generally make better choices when it comes to long-term mate selection."

    Fail

    Surely, you jest. I mean, for real, this is straight delusional. Wow.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    @boomsilent

    Delusional? No. A difference of opinion from you? Yes.

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    Women make bad choices in long-term mates...often.Actually I only know one woman right now who has a great mate ...and I still question why my best friend chose her as a mate.But they support each other unconditionally. The relationships I see around me are nothing I would want to partake in...at all.

    Like my girlfriend said recently...slavery is over.And women are still fighting for equality on all fronts.The day I meet a man that even recognises how steeped in double standards this society is and is changing his approach...will be a beautiful day.I would definitely be lowering my standards to date with the selection of men out here.Men are awesome in the sexual arena but fail miserably otherwise.At least that's what I've notice...women do a lot of compromising to have someone on their arms.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    @boomsilent and @Paulette, this is key:

    "Women make bad choices in long-term mates…often.Actually I only know one woman right now who has a great mate"

    The women YOU KNOW. The women I know are smart enough to choose the right mates for them. Find new people.

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    One woman's castle is another woman's hut.

    Its awesome that you and your girlfriends lost your virginity to your soulmate and lived happily ever after.Some people are lucky like that.The rest of us actually go through a few mates before we find a compatible one.

    And we're equally as intelligent and "smart".

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    "Its awesome that you and your girlfriends lost your virginity to your soulmate and lived happily ever after.Some people are lucky like that.The rest of us actually go through a few mates before we find a compatible one."

    Nice, but incorrect assumptions here. Where did I write that we "lost our virginity to soulmates"? lol

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    "Long-term" = the LAST person you choose, not the first. I thought that was obvious enough to be able to go without being written. Obviously, I was wrong. Funny how people's assumptions come out on topics like this...

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    I know you are smart enough to recognise sarcasm.There is no guarantee a relationship will last long term.And you know that.

    Its best to be realistic and enjoy it while it lasts.Cause obviously even the people you know may not be together 20 years from now.No matter how smart they are.

    The couple I mentioned broke up after 2 years of dating....got back together 6 months later and have been married for more than 5 years now.And they are very aware together forever is only a possibilty.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    @Paulette

    "I know you are smart enough to recognise sarcasm."

    Recognizing sarcasm (especially in written form) is not based on "smarts", but more on understanding the other person. I can't hear the sarcasm in your voice and I don't know you so how am I supposed to know you don't really mean what you write?

  • Jenn Perez

    NWSO ~ I agree with you on the Back in the day marriage comment. I do believe that Divorce was so taboo back in the not so good ole' days that women (mostly WOMEN) put up with so much shit for the sake of a marrige..infidelity, abuse, neglect ~ and that isnt the case anymore. Although I do feel Jazzy on some parts and Paulette on others.. I think i stand in the middle. I do believe that there is someone out there for me to last more than 5, or 10 years with but I don't agree with all that Jazy said. I don't think us women who are separated or not married or divorced or whatever were dumb ~ the men just weren't up to par for us. How about sometimes people change, goals change, relationships change or sometimes one person doesn't give a relationship their all and its time to move on. There's no way for us to tell the future and we cannot choose who we love~ we can however choose to be with them or not.
    As for me, I don't have the guts to really go up and ask a guy out.. i textd a guy that I was flirting with at a party and it took me 2 weeks and four cosmos to do it...we flirt here and there but I don't even know if I could do anything further.. and I see far too many women approaching guys, that and the fact that women really outnumber men is definitely alarming.. It seems like some men want women to be after their goodies. .fuck that.. I like being approached, flirted with..sent little things like chocolate and flowers... asked to dance and have him up close to you and you can feel when he takes a whiff of your scent.. i like when a dude wants to holla and stares you down everytime you walk by him.. that shit is sexxy! I like being chased and I think I will keep it that way!!

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    "I think i stand in the middle. I do believe that there is someone out there for me to last more than 5, or 10 years with but I don’t agree with all that Jazy said. I don’t think us women who are separated or not married or divorced or whatever were dumb ~ the men just weren’t up to par for us."

    LOL. Hello? I never wrote that women were dumb for their choices. Is there an alternate universe here where another Jazzy is commenting here?

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jazzy

    Quick lesson in logic here. If I write that "Person A is smart to make XYZ choice", then that does not mean that Person B is dumb to make ABC choice. It means Person A is smart to make XYZ choice. I'd appreciate if people stop adding meaning to my words that aren't there. Thanks. I'm out.

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    When I got married I had no clue the awesome man I married was gonna become a lying cheating bastard.I am very happily divorced.

    How many people on here are in a marriage/relationship that's at least 10 years old??

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    yo, Jazzy, I have no idea what type of mood you were in on Fri, but you seemed very argumentative for reasons that elude me. I did read your entire post--but chose to HIGHLIGHT a key comment. Is that not okay? I did not say it was characteristic of EVERYTHING that you stated, but it DID highlight a view many women on here applauded, which is this: women making an initial move on a man is virtually guaranteed to fail over the long haul......You said the men YOU know did not end up with successful, long term relationships WHEN the woman approached them first and then you spoke of ..."Hot food served on a platter" versus the chicken he had to catch, choke and cut-up bcuz THAT has more value.....My point, since you seemed to have MISSED it, is that marriages today STILL happen under the system whereby MEN pursue and ask women to marry them (U had to use a lil logic on this one bucz it wasn't all served up on a hot plate) ..and thus the question: Is THAT system working when one considers the divorce rate? ...one things for sure: The high divorce rate can NOT be bcuz women are asking men to marry them and consequently, it isn't bcuz women initiate conversations, or are making great decisions as they wait to choose from the men that DO approach them.....U got it now? I wont accuse you of NOT reading the entire post as you accused me...but there is a difference between reading and understanding, and understanding has more value IMO........

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    @ Ms Shai........I didn't see a response to your last point, so I'll provide one...Tall women have a problem in general bcuz of the social expectation that the man should be taller (and I think the avg. height for men is like 5' 8") so right off the dribble men are wary of amazons, then you add in heels...BUT, if you approach with your sexy on....you can make anything work......Personally, I think more women worry about the male/female height ratio than men bucz lil short dudes have no real problems being with a slightly taller woman, it's when you get to 3 inches or more that it can be a real problem with other males and women....But no matter your height, the rules still apply: cute and sexy women can get away with nearly anything...at least for a hot minute or two.....

  • Mr Sensible

    Paulette Bajan- Gal,

    "How many of you guys were pursued by a woman and it turned into a relationship??How many of you ladies pursued a man and it turned into a relationship??"

    Maybe we differ on our definition of 'pursue' but the best relationship Ive been in (my current one) started when my lady stepped to ME.

    Now if by 'pursue' you mean 'Im the one having to call this dude all the time and ask him out on dates and come up with the date plans and,' etc. then yes thats a bad look. But its a bad look for both genders frankly.

    If by pursue you mean 'make the first move' I think thats a pessimistic view. Making the first move need not doom a woman to booty call hell, there can be all sorts of reasons why she steps to he first--key among them being the whole 'lets cut the reading signals and cues BS and get right to it.'

    I also LOVED the USA Today article on Orango Island, Guinea-Bissau. Brilliant.

    I was taught long ago by my grandpops "it aint who YOU like, its who likes YOU." Even in the notoriously sexist and misogynistic and abusive pimp game, the "ho's" choose their pimp. Ultimately, the woman is calling the shot whether aggressively or passively aggressively. Some gals just prefer to 'make it plain', as Malcolm liked to say.

  • boomsilent

    1st- there will ALWAYS be men that can appreciate an aggressive woman. Some of us are not too coy on a woman that basically cant express how she feels.

    As well, its very foolish to assume relationships are determined solely by choices one makes. That completely ignores outside forces, and uncontrollable circumstances. True, if there is a will there is a way, but sometimes battles are best not fought. Its sad when it comes to that, but hey, life aint all roses.

    Part of the reason so many so-called independent woman cant bring them selves to approach a guy in any context are because of personal inadequacies, lack of confidence and- if you want really be real about it- simply dont have the training. Yeah I said it, the overwhelming majority of woman dont have the training, nor the will. This american society is too rooted in the woman being a victim, so in such cases she would have to ever-exert herself in order to do something most people would consider basic. and its a damn shame. We are all cogs in the social wheel, whether close to the middle or farther towards the edges. We still play our 'roles'.

    Ive had the pleasure of meeting women from other places & countries that dont accept a "weak" role for a woman, and they go for what they want. They make it happen, and its a BEAUTIFUL THING. And I'm talking about relationships, not the typical things women go after- money. After experiencing that, american women be looking like jokes to me sometimes (sometimes, because im not crazy- I luv women period).

    Let me say this one thing- Ive seen women (close to me) sell their asses for a better life- have had close girl-friends straight being beat up by dudes. Other friends that up to now that have daughters and cant pick a good dude to save their friggin lives- in 10 years. It is NOT pretty. When I come across a woman who is wishy washy, its a big turn off, because I know too well the potential is there for them to just sway to the darkside.

    But what can we do but provide a better example for you women to appreciate. All yall have to do is stop playing possum. Not asking, nor want a 'she hulk'. Just a woman who is determined to stop the bullshit and enjoy a good dude.

    yeah, right :(

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    The reality is very different from fantasy...as much as men say they want a woman to approach first and pay for the meal and yadda yadda...it hasn't panned out in the real world like that.Gender roles are so set that even when you try to change them...they come back full circle.

    Last night I went on a date and pulled out a $50 to pay for a meal when the bill came...dude was like "Nah...I got it".So don't think "independent" women aren't making the effort.I'm just not gonna pretend like I can create some fantasy movement when realty is staring me in the face.

    Unless y'all can point me to the men who are dying to reverse roles...((not the players and the pimps...plenty of those out here)).

    ""cant pick a good dude to save their friggin lives""...maybe because the men they are meeting aren't really worth shit so they pick the lesser of all the evils just to be with someone??A lot of women are desperate like that...and a lot of men aren't relationship material.Vice versa....a lot of men are desperate to be with someone and a lot of women aren't relationship material.

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    We have a whole lotta sub-topics going on here, that start out the same but then veer off into different directions. The beginning blog dialogue was discussing a woman who did not know how to approach a man, BUT it was not specific as to what that means, as in, did she want to know how to approach a man she had interest in and say 'HI' to initiate conversation OR was she interested in asking a man out on a date? I was always interpreting the blog as discussing a woman initiating conversation, while follow-up actions such as getting contact info and future activities were left up to the man. But, having again reviewed the blogs initial statements, I can see how we have multiple strands of conversation going on...lol....To the point Paulette expresses above, I fully agree with her assessment. None of us can change the entrenched dynamics at play regarding relationships, except for our ability to take a single first step towards a different individual outcome. I have no problem with a woman approaching to show interest and even giving me her number, but to take it from there to making contact, that's the part we gotta return to the normal process for, so to that end, I would not want a woman to pursue me.......I have had women tell me they were interested in me and provide their contact information, but it was up to me to do the contacting, to make a date, etc,. That's pretty much how it needs to be IMO.....

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @paulette

    "Fantasy"? You think that its a fantasy for a women to pick up the check?

    Life is what you make it. We should feel lucky that we live in a time that you can be yourself even if it is unconventional!

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    @ Da Throne...lmao...we already know you would love to find a woman to pay for every meal.In general though most men respect the offer and maybe even accept a few times but they would rather be the one doing the pursuing. I didn't invent the gender roles that exist.

    If the brother wants to spend his money to entertain me...go right ahead.He knows I have money in my wallet.
    So its not a gold digger situation.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Paulette

    You would be surprized how often I come out of my pocket to "woo" a young lady im feeling. Its not about the money and never should be. But as a female you cant say money doesnt matter but refuse to cover the first date or any date.

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    @ Da Throne...Who's comments are you quoting?I said I will pay for a 2nd date AND I said I offered to pay for a date on Sunday and dude refused.

    I'm a grown ass woman with a job...if I have $100. In my wallet...you better have the same in yours...at least.Why would I choose to date someone who can't afford to take care of himself in a world where you need money to survive?Why should a man date a woman who isn't financially independent?

    They are plenty of events happening in NYC where a couple on a date can hang out and not spend too much money.Or go dutch even.But I'm wary of any man who offers a 1st date "at his house"...no thanks.And I meet way too many of those fellows.

    So quote me properly "the guy is the one approaching me.he pays for the 1st date.I pay for the 2nd"

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    laughing @ Paulette and Da Throne...Usually when people bicker like y'all doin, there is love in da-air...don't fight it, embrace it! be one anothers virtual friend with benefits..........

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    I'm not bickering with him.lmao.Just correcting his invented quotes from me.

    And nope...we will not be hooking up.He would prob ask me to buy his outfit to wear on the date and then expect me to pay for dinner and the cab back to his house.lmao.Too high maintenance for me.

  • Anonymous

    @Paulette

    LMAO!!

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Paulette

    I was talking to you about me wanting the female to pay for me. I wasnt talking to you about paying for dates. That was just me talking in general.

  • ebwriter

    I am a go getter. With that said, I have no problem approaching a guy. And I find that guys are way more pleasant, even if they are not interested.

    On the other hand, most women will tear a man down for trying to get to know her better, if she is not interested in him.

    If the guy is not disrespectful than there is no need to be so mean, ladies.

    It takes courage to approach someone.

    So ladies, I suggest you, man up! LOL. If you are interested in a guy than approach him! If he is not interested, more times than not, he will let you down easily.

  • Quiet Chaos

    2 things:

    First, I'm new to the site and I have enjoyed all the blogs I have read thus far!

    Second: After being single for XX years, I finally got up the nerve to ask this man out that works for the same company. We rarely see each other ( break room, copy room, etc) so I thought it would be ok. We have had a few conversations about our personal lives and there seemed to be some chemistry. Sweaty palms, shaking knees and all, I told his man that I was interested in getting to know him better and asked him out for drinks one evening. His response, " Cool, I hope we can be good friends". I took it as an Yes. Told him the place and I stayed at that bar for about an hour. He never showed. Now when I see him at work, I still smile and speak, he doesn't respond.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Quiet Chaos

    I hope you dont let one bad experience from allowing you to ask someone out again. Like the movie title "He just wasnt that into you". But that doesnt mean the next guy wont.

  • taylormade

    women, If you want to ask a man out, the best thing to do is just go up and make small talk, and most likely, he's will take it from there, and your work is done. Unless, you caught him off guard, and he dont really know what to say to you, and you will be able to tell he dosent know how to talk to a woman by his conversation. The magic words that will let a guy know that you are interested, ask him if he's seeing some one, or do he have a lady, or you could just cut to the chase, and give him your number, and tell him he should give you a call sometime, and end the conversation there, if he calls you know he's interested, if he dosent, then you know he's not interested.

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    @taylormade....has a woman ever approached you like that?...If yes...were you interested?

    I personally don't think it works.A man likes to initiate.

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    @paulette

    Its funny I keep hearing ladies say men dont responed to being approached. But every guy I know dont have a problem with it.

  • paulette-BAJAN-gal

    They don't have a problem cause it ain't happening.lmao.I'm betting none of them started a relationship with a woman approaching them first.

    I'm going in circles with this subject.I'm not going to approach a guy first...its never worked.In this instant the man needs to step up and be the chaser.And honesty I'm around so many dudes in NYC that the men need to separate themselves from the boys.

  • taylormade

    @paulette

    yes it has happened, I remember one in particular where, I wanted to talk to this female, but I never said anything to her, I was actually a little intimidated by her(I dont know why) but I would just see her around, and just couldnt get my words together to step to her, and we would make like that quick eye contact thing and keep it moving. so one night, I was at this lounge with a few friends, a sort of popular place, and she just comes out of nowhere, and starts spitting game like a dude would normally do, it felt kind of wierd at first, because I had women come up and talk to me before, its just the way that she was putting it out there, and because i wasnt expecting that from her because we never did anything but a quick eye contact, or a "whats up" here and there. Anyway she was very direct with it, she was like I see you checking me out at work, and how she was doing the same, like i like your style, you seem real cool, and after about a 5-10 min conversation of mainly her doing the talking, she was just like you should hit me up, so we can hang out sometime. When she walked off, I kind of felt like the woman, because she just straight walked up, spit game, drop the number on me and walked off. We kicked it for about three months strong, but she never told me she was living with her sons father, thats why I never got to go to her place, it was always mine.

    but it was a lot of times, when the woman wouldnt be so direct, they will just throw hints, flirt a little bit, and hope you pick up on it, and ask them out. but to answer your question, it does work, but becareful, you dont approach one of those dudes whose stuck on himself, and you might blow his head up, cause you approach him, so he might take that as, she stepped to me, she want me, so i can do her any type of way

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  • Gee

    I know i'm late but just want to say as a woman, both sides of the argument are right. I've approached men and 2/5 we actually reaaly interested. One of which i actually had a relationship with and the other always tries to hit on me. From my experience not all guys willl be interested so don't expect it to always work especially if you are not dressed nice. I think men do want to be the chasers but hey they want to rest back too. PLUS ladies starting a conversation and dropping hints is natural for us. we have been doing it for centuries subtley. though i do admit for me its kinda scary to chase guys sometimes i dont know, but then again i tend to like what seems to be difficult to have :)

  • Gee

    uh by the way please ladies you can give you number but please dont arrange a date. to me it seems kinda bossy, i would think a man would want the privilege of arranging the date.