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’Til Death Do Us Part (Is Love Really Everlasting?)

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I noticed an older woman, who looked to be in her early 70s, stepping out of a cab the other day. For the sake of clarity, we'll call her Mrs. Jefferson. She appeared to be having a hard time getting out of the vehicle so I offered to assist her.

"Oh, thank you," she replied, warmly.

I took Mrs. Jefferson by her elbow and guided her out of the cab. Once I got her safely to the curb, I prepared to be on my way when she hit me with a request.

"I'm going to the church right here for a wedding in," she began. "Can you help me put my necklace on before I go in?"

"No problem," I replied.

The necklace consisted of a simple gold chain with a small diamond encrusted pendant. Taking it in my hands, I glanced at the tiny clasp and commented, "Oh, I hate these things. I always have a hard time putting them on because my nails are too short."

Oblivious to my attempts at small talk, or possibly in response to it, Mrs. Jefferson blurted out, "It's times like these where I miss my husband, George. It'll been two years this August since he passed."

I offered my condolences, but Mrs. Jefferson just stared off into the distance, while I returned to the task at hand. I guess we were in luck as I hooked the necklace in one try. Once the pendant was positioned properly, I asked if Mrs. Jefferson needed help up the church steps.

"Oh, God bless you," she replied.

Walking arm in arm, Mrs. Jefferson and I slowly made our way up the steps until we bumped into another wedding attendee, who led her the rest of the way.

Although my exchange with Mrs. Jefferson was brief, thoughts of her dearly departed husband struck a chord with me. Not only was it ironic that she would mention the loss of her husband moments before witnessing the nuptials of a young couple, but I began to wonder about the phrase, “’Til death do us part.”

I've often said that when and if I get married, I want it to be forever and to the best of my knowledge, Mrs. Jefferson and her husband George did too. Unfortunately, his passing leaves her to experience the rest of what was to be their forever alone. I wonder if she, or even the couple that got married that warm Saturday, ever thought about what life would be like when death caused them to part.

When people talk of living “happily ever after,” it usually conjures up images of growing old and grey together. Two soul mates journeying through life as one complete unit forever. Sounds nice but with age and time eventually comes death, which is a part of that storybook ending no one ever discusses.

Just the other day, my homegirl told me about a college friend who found her soul mate and after two years of marriage he was killed in an accident. Regardless of whether you’re 27 or 72, I know that the pain and heartache that comes along with losing a loved one is immeasurable. Still, I imagine it’s slightly “easier” for the younger widow/widower to move on. I mean that with all due respect and condolences for any who has lost a partner, but the fact of the matter is a younger person has more options than someone in Mrs. Jefferson’s position.

On the flipside, though, some could argue that a lifetime with your true love is far better than a shortened honeymoon. Then again you can liken that to the old saying, is it better to have loved and lost or to have never loved at all? At any rate, I doubt either scenario is something many think about when they’re tying the knot.

At 70 (give or take a year), Mrs. Jefferson is probably set in her ways. I have no idea if she and her husband had a happy marriage, but for the sake of this post let’s assume that they did. I imagine that over the years they had formed a tight bond and developed specific routines. She probably knew mundane things like how he liked his tea in the morning and where his favorite tie was, while he remembered simple things like her favorite perfume and shoe size. They were a pair. No matter how grown their kids had gotten or how many friends had come and gone; they still had each other. I'm sure that provided an unmatched level of comfort and security until death changed everything.

What once was an inseparable team is now a one-woman show. For all intents and purposes, I'll assume that Mrs. Jefferson has been mostly alone the past two years. She traveled to this wedding alone. She will probably leave alone. More than likely she lives alone. Very often she probably eats alone. When it's all said and done she'll probably die alone.

All Mrs. Jefferson has now are memories of her husband George. She no longer has her daily companion and soul mate to share their forever with. There are no more shared birthdays and anniversaries. No more conversations over breakfast or arguments over the remote. No one besides a kind stranger to put on her pendant as she enters a church to witness another couple make a vow to stay by each other’s side ’til death do they part.

Fin!

Have you ever had to cope with the loss of a loved one? How did you deal with it? Do you think it’s “easier” dealing with the loss of your soul mate when you’re younger or older? For the married folks, do you ever talk to your mate about how things would change if one of you would pass away? Do you think there’s a stigma against widows and widowers? Would you date someone whose husband/wife passed away? Would you have doubts about that person ever getting over the loss of their true love? Is it better to have loved and loss or to have never loved at all?

Speak your piece…

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  • Dc Man with a Plan

    I definitely believe it is better to have loved and lost, than to have NEVER loved at all. The actions and experiences involved in loving someone outside of a family member is something that allows one to gain a wisdom and knowledge that can not be gained in any other manner. Having a partner who dies at any point in time is going to be a tragedy that will be difficult to get over--more so for a younger person, IMO, than an older couple. A young couple had so much to look forward to that will go unrealized, while a member of an older cuple will have so many memories. And who can say how long a long life is these days? 70 years is a good record of living. I would not reject a woman bcuz she was a widow, as long as she is able and willing to begin a new chapter in her life, just as anyone else who has been in love and yet had a failed relationship would have to do. Now like Richard Pryor said: If dude died while INSIDE a woman......That's some puzzy I ain't tryin to have bcuz it's a KILLER!

  • The Intellect

    My biggest example of this type of "Till Death" love comes from both sets of grandparents.

    My mother's father (Grandaddy) passed away when I was 12 but I remember the day of his funeral it was so cold in my Grandma's room while the rest of the house was sticky hot. She told me that it was Grandaddy trying to make her comfortable even in death. Over the years my Grandma has had male friends who have tried to be in her life, but she has always told me that there will never be another Jack (Grandaddy) in her life.

    On my father's side, my Grandmother passed when I was in high school. With her death my usually quite Grandfather really started to open up about how much she did for him and how much he was going to miss her.

    But what touched me most about the stories I heard from both my Grandma and Grandfather was how they met the love of their life and all the memories that they shared over the years. Therefore I don't feel bad for them or any elderly person who has lost their other half, because as my Grandma says "I still talk to Jack every night in my dreams and when it's my time I know he will come and get me like he always did"

    Ok I'm done cause I am about to start crying at my desk, but I just had to share my family experiences.

  • AGK

    This post made me sad :(

    I believe it's easier, in one way, 4older couples, because even if they wanna admit it or not, they have death in their minds. When ur 70-80 years old, most of ur life is behind u n not ahead of u, unfortunatelly. So, they know that @some point they will no longer be there 4each other.

    While younger couples are getting 2gether 2spend their life as one, most of their lives are ahead of them, they want 2do things 2gether, experience life.

    Of course, death is never a pleasant experience for anyone - and those who have been thru the death of a loved one know better, but i'm just trying to assume which one would be harder.

    I hope i'll never get 2experience either - more so the 2nd situation. I see how my grandma has changed since my granpa passed n it has made me wonder whether it's better 2leave 1st or get left behind.

    I guess time will show.

  • That Guy

    Stories like this remind me that life is not finite. I think an issue many younger adults have is trying to wait for the perfect mate, all the while missing the boat on building lives together, just to be frustrated that the degrees, promotions, etc dont love back or pale in comparison with "being in love" (which demands sacrifice, but thats another post).

    See Ms. Jefferson may have lost her mate, but she didnt lose what they built together. The children, the graduations, the soft quiet times spent together on vacations over the years, the trials & triumphs, etc... those are priceless and dont die with the person, you carry that legacy (even after there gone). Yes, you miss the person, but like any job well done, you can appreciate it even better once completed knowing you did/gave your best. I know I'm only 30 (+/-) but theres not alot left for me to do for "me"... I've done the trips, private islands, dated models/actresses, made money, lost it all and got it back... what matters to me now is creating a lasting family and legacy and helping others to have a better life than I. So hearing your story reminds me that time is short, and there's much work to do, but I dont feel bad for Ms. Jefferson as she's enjoyed the greatest attraction life has to offer which is to love another person and hopefully be proud of what the two of them built together. If anything I'm a little jealous..

    Happy Monday All

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @That Guy

    ******Congratulations****

    You are my 10,000th commenter!!!!!!

    In honor of this achievement, I'm gonna hook you up with a prototype for one of the NWSO t-shirts.

    Holla at me nakedwithsockson@gmail.com for details.

    Happy Monday indeed.

  • Latsyrc41

    @DC Man
    I was impressed at the beginning of your comment and as usual, ended up SMH. You're always good for levity. :)

    My parents had been married 51 years when my father died. My mother has no interest in having any other man in her life, even for companionship. Whatever the intricacies of their marriage were, she says he was the only man she ever loved and the only husband she'll ever have.

    I think it's hard, either way. But it seems to me that if you lose someone when you're younger, you grieve over all that never was.

    When you're older, I would think that you would grieve just as intensely of course, but also you would be able to find comfort in all the memories you built with that person.

    I don't know.

    @NWSO
    When I started reading the post, I immediately thought of my parents and then Ossie Davis and Ruby Dee. I remember when he died, all I could think is "what is she going to do without him." It was nice to get to the end and see their picture. :)

  • Latsyrc41

    Awwww, I was too slow. LOL

  • Righteous Mama

    Congrats That guy! lol.

    I'm better at dealing with loss than I am with dealing with the concept of forever. That's just too far in the distance for me to even see or grasp. An ex of mine died in a car crash and it was very hard dealing with not having him around anymore. But we lived so fully while he was here. I have amazing memories of him.

    I've been overdosing on Osho books lately so I'm not the best one to discuss marriage to purists. It would be great to be married to a great man and I'm open to it. But it would be a marriage with a great deal of respect for personal freedom and few expectations. Last forever? Nothing lasts forever.

    Here's one of my favorite points Osho makes:

    There is always fear that someone may leave you. But these problems arise only because your love is not really love but a game. If it is really love, then it never thinks of the future. Then there is no problem of the future. Tomorrow does not exist for real love; time does not exist for real love.

    If you love a person, you love a person. What will happen tomorrow – who cares? Today is so much, this moment is an eternity. What will happen tomorrow, we will see…when tomorrow comes. And tomorrow never comes. Real love is of the present.

    I highly suggest folks read Love, Freedom and Aloneness by Osho. It will transform the way you view love, marriage and fears related to love.

    Granted there are no absolutes, take from Osho what you will. The man IS a little out there. My homegirl says he's like Deepak gone wild.

    We have to learn not to live in fear of when and if our loved ones will leave. Everyone must leave or move on at some point whether it is by death or some other type of separation. That is why we must treasure the time we spend and not waste time with the people we love.
    That's my two cents! ;)

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    Yo, Righteous Mama....<------smiling......Osho, sounds like a very aware person, from whom one could expect to learn some good ideal traits, but the world isn't IDEAL and we are not socialized to think and exist in IDEAL parameters. For tomorrow, I have hopes and dreams that apply to my lover and loved ones, and though tomorrow isn't promised to ANY of us, it's best to have a PLAN--just in case your AZZ is still here! So don't sell all of your worldly goods today, you might need them in the AM......

  • Righteous Mama

    @ DC Man smiling back at you. I'm not sure what you mean. There's nothing wrong with plans and hopes and dreams. The world is not ideal which is part of the point. The only thing I have control of is myself and how I respond to life and its challenges. I prefer a go with the flow approach. That doesn't make me naive. Actually it makes me even more aware. I can see and appreciate more than most. I'm telling you! You gotta check out Osho! Read it first, then judge. ;)

  • Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

    I believe love is a double-edged sword...it feels good when you have it and it hurts like hell when you lose it.

    @ Righteous Mama - Thank you for your comment. What you said really struck a chord with me as I am so analytical, I am always planning ahead and I never take the time to enjoy today.

    @ NWSO - why do you ALWAYS say "if" you get married? You are the controller of your destiny!

  • Lonias

    Have you ever had to cope with the loss of a loved one?
    I lost my husband of 7 years in 2006. He was 32 and I was 30. The hardest thing at first was sleeping. I missed his presence next to me (among other things). I still don't sleep well, but it's better than the virtual insomnia I had for almost a year.
    Then I realized that he was my confidante. I have friends, some as close as siblings, but I could tell him ANYTHING and it would stay between us. I could vent and he would just listen (or pretend to...lol). I miss having someone to "download" with daily.

    How did you deal with it?
    It will sound cliche, but I took it one day at a time. I told myself it was OK to grieve the way I wanted/needed to. If I let myself just feel.

    Do you think it’s “easier” dealing with the loss of your soul mate when you’re younger or older?
    I don't know. I felt, and still feel sometimes, like it's unreal. We were supposed to grow old together. Had we actually grown old together, would my pain have been lessened? Worsened? I don't know...

    Do you think there’s a stigma against widows and widowers? I still wonder...

    Would you have doubts about that person ever getting over the loss of their true love?
    I wonder if I'm over him enough to love someone else. I am most concerned about comparing a new love to my late husband. I'll just have to see...

    Is it better to have loved and loss or to have never loved at all?
    No doubt about it!

  • Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

    @ The Intellect & Lonias - Thank you for sharing. This post made me sad as well. :(

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @Shay

    I say If because I am not a fortune teller. :P

  • Optical_ Illusion

    While I've never lost a lover, my mother passed away 2 and a half years ago. I feel empty and sometimes it feels unbelievable that she is no longer here. There are times I yearn to speak with her on the phone and it really feels possible but in reality it is not.

    I've lost other family members. An aunt, cousin, and even my maternal grandmother (whom I also loved dearly). However, I never got upset with God about this process we go through called "life and death" until my mother left me. I feel an immense pain when I really think about my mom. She often comes to mind but I don't dwell on her memory but when I do, my soul hurts. I'm not yet to a point where I can look at her picture or even her handwriting (I have her old journals). I look forward to the day I can.

    I say all of that to say that I can't imagine losing someone that I've CHOSEN to be a part of my life when we struggle to get past the death of those whos lives we were PLACED or that were PlACED in our lives....

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    @ Righteous...by the standard you establish "read it first, then judge"....Does one have to read and UNDERSTAND the Bible, the Koran or Torah--before commenting on specific statements made in those holy books? when you quote Osho, and he states: " these problems arise bcuz your love is not really love, but a game." And, " if it is really love, then it never thinks of the future." I do not know if this comment was intended to be literal or figurative, but it makes a difference in how it is interpreted. I took it to be LITERAL, since he is obviously a deep thinker and philosopher, but I do not accept the premise the statement is based on, namely Love is a game bcuz he says so? On the other hand, I’m sure there is some enlightenment I can obtain from his writings…I’ll add him to my book list for 2010…….
    @Latsyrc41...I think you should get a t-shirt too, as the first WOMAN over the 10K hump.....BTW: What does "SMH" stand for? lol...I can't figure that one out, but you're the only one I wanna ask.....wink-wink....

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @DC Man

    If I had a penny for every time we asked & answered the SMH question.. LOL

    SMH = Shaking My Head

    I don't have stamps like that for two mailings. LOL but "That Guy" is on the clock...

  • Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

    @ DC Man - Geessh you are a BIG flirt, lol

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    Its only better to have loved if the that love passes late not early. Or that love dumps you for some other dude! :(

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    @ NWSO...I wish you'd take your penny and STOP steppin on my lil thing with Latsyrc41...lmao...But thanks, my good brother, you always come through.
    Something I found interesting in my in-box 2day:
    Sometimes, what we care about the most gets all used up and goes away, never to return before we can say good-bye, say "I love you." So while we have it, it's best we love it, care for it, fix it when it's broken and heal it when it's
    sick. This is true for marriage ..... And old cars ..And children with bad report cards, and dogs with bad hips and aging parents and grandparents.
    @ Shay: After reading all that noise you and Da throne made on that discussion of Porno...lol...U are the definitely QUEEN of the flirt game, 4sho!

  • Diffnames

    We should all appreciate the relationships with people we have in our lives, from friends to family to boyfriends/girlfriends to babymamas/daddies to life long partners. Why wait til they're gone to let them know they are appreciated. To lose any of those parts of your life hurts no matter what time in your life.

  • Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

    @ DC Man: I know Tron, so that flirting doesn't count.

  • Righteous Mama

    @DC Man
    "Does one have to read and UNDERSTAND the Bible, the Koran or Torah–before commenting on specific statements made in those holy books?"
    Of course not. And just like those books and others we take from them what works for us if anything and ditch the rest.

    I think Osho's statement love is a game refers to how people treat love, not how it actually is. His point is we should enjoy the day and stop trying to possess/control people and love. Love is like a spring breeze. It comes and it goes. You cannot control how it moves or contain it in your hands. But you can appreciate the beauty of it.

  • Bernice Dickey

    Have you ever had to cope with the loss of a loved one?

    Yes, my husband and oldest daughter died seven years ago and I thought I would never get over it. I handle it better now but it's not something you get over, but get through.

    How did you deal with it?

    My faith in God and taking one day at a time. I have more better days now than I had right after their deaths especially the anniversaries, bdays, holidays, etc. it's getting better with time.

    Do you think it’s “easier” dealing with the loss of your soul mate when you’re younger or older?

    As a young widow it was real difficult b/c we had an infant that I was left to raise alone and I never wanted to be a single parent.

    Do you think there’s a stigma against widows and widowers?

    I found that trying to date men my age (45yrs) is difficult b/c their kids (if they have any) are grown and they don't want to sign up for raising another one (mine) again.

    Would you date someone whose husband/wife passed away?

    That would be a welcome comfort especially if they have worked through their grief b/c he would understand what I am going through without my having to explain myself.

    Would you have doubts about that person ever getting over the loss of their true love?

    Not a problem if they have had therapy to reframe the loss in the scope of their total life experiences.

    Is it better to have loved and lost or to have never loved at all?

    Definitely loved and lost! My life was enriched b/c I was able to love someone warts and all and still have fond memories to reminisce over when time allows.

    My advice to anyone in a relationship is to create as many memories with your loved one as possible that way you can get through your rough times and not have many regrets about what you wished you had done before your time together expired. I have lots and lots of memories to share with my daughter of her father and older sister and it keeps their spirits alive in our lives.

    BTW, this blog was a hard one for me to comment on today, it took me all morning to finally decide to contribute b/c I had read some of the other comments and didn't really see my story reflected in them and needed to speak up for the young widows and parents who have lost a child.

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @Bernice

    Well, thank you for speaking/writing up and sharing your experience. Hopefully it helped to voice that in some way.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Bernice

    You are so much stronger than I could ever hope to be!

  • Latsyrc41

    Thanks DC Man for trying to get me a freebie, but I'll be more than happy to buy one and support NWSO when they're ready. :)

    @Righteous Mama
    Thanks for the heads up on Osho!!

  • Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

    Thank you for sharing Bernice.

  • Mz. VooDoo

    @BERNICE

    THANKS FOR SHARING.

    I DATED A WIDOWER. IT HAD BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS OF HIS WIFE'S DEATH AND HE WAS STILL GRIEVING HIS LOSS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME TRYING TO RECOVER. HE IS 10 YRS MY SENIOR AND I TRIED TO HELP HIM RECOVER, BUT IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR US BOTH. I HAVE NO DOUBTS, HE MAY NEVER GET OVER THE LOSS OF BOTH HIS WIVES.

    IS IT BETTER TO HAVE LOVED AND LOST OR TO HAVE NEVER LOVED AT ALL?

    MOST DEFINELTY TO HAVE LOVED. YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THE MANY LIFE EXPERIENCES YOU WILL HAVE IF YOU NEVER LOVE SOMEONE.

  • Elle

    Scratch the "for another dude" in Da Throne's post and I'll co-sign.
    :(

  • SweetNectar

    I believe it's better to have love an loss than to never loved at all because if you've never been in a position where you love/d someone whole-heartedly you can never know if that person was/is your soul mate. I think there's a "pot cover for every pot" - meaning there's a match for everyone, may it be soul mate friendship wise or relationship. It's better to walk away from something and you have the chance to say "at least it was fun while it lasted" than never getting the chance to experience the perks and downs of something. May it be the loss of someone is due to death or splitting up, I believe all in all we should all get the chance to experience love - no matter the outcome.

  • Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

    @ Righteous Mama - I just purchased the book on my lunch break and I will read it tonight. Thanks for the recommendation.

  • mamacotten

    Better to loved and lost? Hmmm I can't miss something I have never had... If it was not for falling in love the first time I think I would have been settled just playing the field.. I have a guy friend who is getting married just because she is a good girl he said he's not sure if he can be faithful... I got married because it was better than being alone , but I liked being alone or at least being free .... I love my hubby don't get me wrong and I am in this to death do part no doubt. But marriage is a lot of work and not all magical, happily ever after..

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Righteous Mama

    That book sounds like bullshit! How do we know if something last forever or not? Fears is healthy and is needed that keeps us alive!

    I for one am all for enjoying life even when it sucks(mostly of my own doings) but to suggest that people should just go thur life like whatever fuck it just seems like the wrong idea

  • Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

    @ da ThRONe: you don't seem like you enjoy life at all. You are ALWAYS so negative and you come across like a very unhappy person.

  • Latsyrc41

    "Normal" fear does help us avoid danger, etc. But, irrational fear is definitely not healthy. People walk around every day missing out on lots of wonderful opportunities and experiences because they're afraid to take a chance or worrying about what will happen if...

    sorry, i know you weren't talking to me daThRONe.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Shay

    I dont care about what other people think. Im cool with being an outcast. Those that know me know what Im about and those who dont know me there is probably a good reason.

    @Latsyrc41

    Ofcourse too much of anything is bad! And no you shouldnt let any one emotion run your life. But to say fear is just a bad thing I dont agree with that either. Because some times fear just helps you from getting crushed!

  • Latsyrc41

    I think it's the UNNATURAL fear that is "bad", not the natural "fight or flight" kind of fear.

  • MEKHIA81

    OLDER PPL HAVE MORE OPTIONS NOW WITH ALL THE RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES THAT CATER TO OLDER SINGLES. LOVE IS EVERLASTING THERE MAY NEVER BE ANOTHER LOVE LIKE THE TRUE LOVE BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE HUMANS ARE NOT MEANT TO BE ALONE. WE ARE SOCIAL BEINGS ITS HOW GOD MADE US.......

    I HOPE THAT IF I EVER GET MARRIED I WILL LIVE A LONG HEALTHY LIFE WITH A WONDERFUL MAN AND IF SOMETHING HAPPENS WHERE HE DIES OR I DIE I WOULD WANT THEM TO MOVE ON AND BE HAPPY BECAUSE ONCE MY HUSBAND DIES I WILL GREIVE BUT I WILL ALSO CHERISH THE TIME WE HAVE AND CONTINUE TO LIVE AND CREATE MEMORIES WITH ANOTHER WONDERFUL PERSON.

    I THINK WE GET SO CAUGHT UP WITH THE FAIRY TALE "SO & SO" IS THE ONLY ONE FOR ME. GOD HAS CREATED SO MANY INTERESTING PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH AND TO RELEGATE YOUR SELF TO ONE THAT IS NO LONGER ALIVE IS CRAZY.....TO ME THAT IS.

  • MEKHIA81

    SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS!! (:-P)

  • Righteous Mama

    @ Lonias, Bernice and the Intellect
    Thank you for sharing your personal stories. Know that your loved ones would want you to be smiling in remembrance of them, not crying okay? But I admit, I cried too yesterday thinking of my former sweetheart. A song came on the radio that reminded me of him. I felt though like he was smiling at me and telling me that he loved me still. It was kind of nice.

    @ Shay
    Please let me know what you think of the book!

    @da throne
    Osho ain't for everybody. That's all I can say.
    It was just my humble suggestion. It's funny to me though that you refer to something as bullshit that you haven't even taken the time to review.
    But I agree that fear is healthy and a necessary part of life and growth. There are some things that we fear that we actually should move closer to because there is something to learn there. Like the fear of moving on to someone new. You must! When fear consumes, paralyzes and keeps someone from enjoying life, it is time to have even greater courage. I read somewhere the other day that courage is not the absence of fear rather it is the total presence of fear with the courage to face it. Calm yo ass down throne. lol. You really need a hug.

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    Nothing wagered nothing gained. Ofcourse the fear of losing something will always be with us. But you have too be rational and factor in risk/reward!

  • http://myspace.com/nexus_da_underdawg da ThRONe

    @Righteous Mama

    I said sounds like bullshit! Your right I cant make a full judge it without reading but that was my first impression!

    And for the record Im so calm I need to check my pulse!

  • Lonias

    @Righteous
    Music can do it to you, can't it?
    It seemed like EVERY song for a long time reminded me of him...

    Now, most often, when I remember, I am smiling or laughing because we lived our best lives together...

  • bumblebee88

    Luckily, I have never had to deal with the loss of a loved one but I know from the experience of friends that losing a soulmate hits you hard no matter your age. BUT I guess it must be harder as you get older. I have many older neighbors who are widows and they never recapture that same glow in their face that the blessing of love game them. it is almost like they are just biding their time until they can join their loved one again. Sad.

    Definitely better to have loved and lost. Being in love/loved is like having your humanity validated. You become a better person. In the presence of this absence, you can not help but feel incomplete. I would rather have one chance at having this feeling, and have it escape me, than none at all.

  • litrisha

    Well I have not personally dated anyone that was a widow or whose mate has passed away. I don't know if I could date someone like that because I know that that person wouldn't necessarily have their heart into me, and I would have to give them TIME to get over it......some longer than others but still I don't know if I could pull that off. But once again here is a battle of the sexes thing.......ok I know some women won't even think about another man if their boyfriend or husband died but guys on the other hand.......they don't waste any time, I mean NO TIME!!!
    For example my brother, his beloved wife died of breast cancer and it wasn't even a year before he up and got married AND had a child and I still don't understand that til this day. Ok ok I understand that staying in the house and rotting is not the way to go but damn, I think for me it would take some time......I mean why would I up and rush into something when I just lost someone that was close to me?
    Maybe it's me just tripping out........

  • Kat

    I see life as a collection of moments and I hope that one day I will have someone to share those moments with.For those looking for real love and others who don't believe it exists,here's a piece that I wrote about everlasting love:http://squarerootz.net/love-everlasting/

  • Deezay24/7

    I'm ultra late on this one, but this post was so emotional! I'm still crying!!

    @ The Intellect:

    I can truly sympathize with your familial experience. In my first year of teaching, my grandfather died suddenly. He wasn't sick; no warning of him being sick. I was fortunate enough to see him the weekend before he died. At the funeral, my grandmother walked by his casket and said, "I'll see you later, Manny." Four months later, my grandmother died from a heart attack.

    A co-worker told me about this movie in which the same thing happened. A husband and wife, married for years; one dies and months later the other dies. Basically, the spouse left dies from a broken heart. Can that happen? After reading this post and remembering that scene 11 years ago, I say it can happen.

    ~Change the World, Don't just LIVE in~

  • mjc

    Marriage back in the days of our Grandparents and even parents was built on so many different foundations, now its about pre-nups and even though I totally agree with pre-nups, what is right about planning for the marriage to fail before its even began. People marry to easily nowadays or marry for the wrong reasons which makes the long term marriage (like our folks had) harder to sustain. Divorce was never an option back in the day, it was there of course but people battled shit out and made it work so it comes as no surprise to me that within a year of my Grandmother passing, my Grandfather passed.
    I am a firm believer that it is better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all. Loss is something people have to familiarize themselves with in all aspects of existence. Granted some losses are way more harsher than they need to be but it's life.
    It doesn't matter how long you are married/together, losing someone you love hurts like hell but of course there is always the chance of meeting someone else no matter how old you are.

  • BADbrownbunny

    This is a toughy...I feel for those persons who have lost someone....

    But in actuality Mrs. J has GOD to lean on. Also she has her memories ;.)

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    U go Righteous Mama..lmao...I like how you told Da Throne to calm his azz down....lol...And you're right, he probably DOES need a hug...I did NOT see where Latsyrc41 OR Righteous said that fear is unhealthy. sexy Latsyrc41 spoke about the TWO types of fear, yada-yada, so get it right, dude from the NO, who at times, don't know Shyt! lmao....I might have to move Osho into my 2009 reading list bcuz Righteous mama has such a cool azz demeanor, I'm wondering if reading Osho will work like that for me too......though I did want to know what you meant when you said: " not the best one to discuss marriage to purists....and marriage with respect for personal freedom and few expectations..U need to do a guest blog to illuminate the thoughts you're working with ...:)

  • http://myspace.com/kobe81fan Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

    @ DC Man
    I bought the book yesterday and made an attempt to start the book last night, let's just say that you need to read this book on a quiet Sunday afternoon with no interruptions.

  • Dc Man with a Plan

    @ Shay.....Uhmm, what does that mean? Are you saying one has to meditate first before reading this book...or U just tryin to tell me on the slick that U be a busy lady, bumpin and grinding through regular time, but you take a break on Sundays?

  • Shay from L.A. (Los Angeles)

    LMAO @ DC Man

    It means that you need your total focus on the book without any outside distractions. Sunday is pretty much the only day out of the week that I get to relax, so that is why I picked that day. AND yeah, you might want to meditate as well, lol.

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  • DragonFly

    My grandparents have been married for 53 years are are in their 70s. They have had a lovely relationship and have built a beautiful family. My grandpa is ill at 78 and does not have long. My grandma (75) will never be alone because we are a close family, the way they raised us, and she will always be surrounded by that which they built together. She certainly will not die alone, unless we ALL go first. I'm sure she will miss him dearly and is even having a hard time with his illness but in the end, as she said, she wouldn't give back a day of it. They are an inspiration. I've yet to know what they do. I would never trade that for fear of "the end" and choose to live life alone and single and not in love. IMO, it's better to have loved...

  • Righteous Mama

    @DC Man Thanks! Not a bad idea at all about writing about my ideas on marriage. I'm still figuring it out myself though what my views are. lol. That's why I say I'm not the best one to talk about it. It took me a long time to even acknowledge that marriage was even something I wanted.

    @Shay
    yeah sis, Osho is super deep. lol. He has some other interesting books about intimacy, courage and intuition. I think the one you have is a good one to start with though. And yes, Osho is heavy on meditation. Most folks say they read a couple pages at a time and have to put it down to reflect on what he said. So that's normal. I hope you can find a little something in there that benefits you.

  • Sohoissooverated

    I lost my mom last October and when I lost her I feel like I lost a big part of my identity. However I do feel like it has made me stronger and less afraid of love in relationships. It's like, I lost my mom who was my Bff she gave birth to me and gave me unconditional love and I lost 20 years overnight by suprise. It makes me realize that losing a boyfriend that I love and care about cannot be the worst thing in the world.

    Someone once asked me how would I feel about my dad ever dating again and remarrying. My mom n dad were married 27 years with 3 kids. To see him showing affection to another woman besides my mom would be too much for me to handle but at the same time I understand that he would most likely get lonely, move on and need companionship. He's 52 and I'm 20 and in a few years(God willing and recession willing) I will be leaving the house and leaving him alone. I kno it probably will happen but I don't think I'm ready to witness that and i am not even considering a stepmom

  • Righteous Mama

    @Sohoissooverated

    I can't even imagine losing my mother. smh
    You can't even compare losing a boyfriend to that. Love and light to you.

  • bogart4017

    I honestly could not image losing my wife after these last 22 years. I figure i would go on but how easy is it when you've lived with a person for so long? Someone who can anticipate your every mood and movement? Someone who can make you smile at least once everyday? Who held your hand thru every disappointment and loss of a loved one?
    That kind of love is immeasurable. She can never be replaced and i wouldnt be looking to. I love you Missy!!!!

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @bogart

    I feel your words. Thanx for sharing.

  • Anonymous

    I think you'd be better off having taken Mrs. Jefferson's number and asked her for an interview.

    No one can know how she feels or how she values her life now. She may be quite happy and have a very fulfilling life without George. She could be having gratifying sex and long enjoyable times with friends and family.

    Your piece doesn't do much to elevate our concept of aging and surviving loss and I wish it did.

    Every loss is a death and we can all attest to that but how we spring back and move on is an inspiration. Mrs. Jefferson ventured out to celebrate life and share in it. That's a choice and a drive to enjoy life. She's no different that you or I.

    Dig deeper, Star!

  • Lady K

    I think you'd been better off having taken Mrs. Jefferson's number and asked her for an interview.

    No one can know how she feels or how she values her life now. She may be quite happy and have a very fulfilling life without George. She could be having gratifying sex and long enjoyable times with friends and family.

    Your piece doesn't do much to elevate our concept of aging and surviving loss and I wish it did.

    Every loss is a little death and we can all attest to that but how we spring back and move on is an inspiration. Mrs. Jefferson ventured out to celebrate life and share in it. That's a choice. Her actions prove that she has a drive to enjoy life with grace, elegance and dignity. She's no different that you or I.

    Dig deeper, Star!

  • http://nwso.net NWSO

    @Lady K,

    Thanx for the idea/suggestion but it was just a brief encounter with Mrs. Jefferson so wasn't like I planned to write about her when I met her. It just stuck with me and I started thinking about it more and just wrote down my thoughts and assumptions, because I have no idea what her daily life is like, but I thought the idea of what something would be like for me or any of us was an interesting discussion to have since a lot of folks don't think about that aspect of life after death.

    ewww on the sex part, though. LOL. But if she was getting it in still, wouldn't she have brough her date/man friend with her? Also, George is only been in the grave for 2 years, you think after all the time she'd be so quick to hop in bed with someone new?

    Oh, and regarding the lack of elevating the concept of aging, what would you have liked to have seen or what can you contribute to the discussion that can enlighten others. I'm always looking for people with more perspective to chime in.

  • http://www.nosinglemamadrama.wordpress.com Ms. No Single Mama Drama

    I think the loss of any true love--whether it was a short-lived or long-term relationship--hurts. I think that when you're younger or if the relationship was only for a few years, it's easier to move on, after a grieving period. For someone who had been married for decades, I think it would be much more difficult--after all, you spent most of your life married than single. Plus, singlehood was thrust upon you--it wasn't your choice, just that in itself would make it hard.

  • Piscean Empress 904

    Sometimes I feel it is better to have loved and lost. That is until you lose the person. Relationships show you just how much people "don't" care. We live in a day and age where divorce is as quick as the marriage ceremony. No one respects themselves let alone vows. People want instant gratification. Wedding vows should be til death do you part. Yet that vow is a lil hard to take seriously if your spouse is a whoremonger, letting their genitals rule their actions. Some things and some people you just cant change. Songs are littered touting the benefits of cheating on your significant other because someone is fine or someone wants pleasure for the moment. Our culture doesnt cherish fidelity...only when its time for money to be spent (i.e. the wedding).
    When people wise up and realize that love is a fantasy, just like snow white, cinderella, etc. Most humans dont understand what the concept of love is..its all about an instant nut with no fear or care of consequences.