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Why Is Prostitution Illegal? (Freedom of Choice)

Posted by NWSO • October 26, 2009 • Printer-friendly

I was reading my boy BlogXilla’s blog (say that 3x fast) the other day and came across an interesting post entitled “I Can Chose to Abort, But I Can’t Pick the Price of My Pu**y.” Aside from the eye-catching headline, I was drawn to click the link because I had a very strong feeling I was going to agree with what was written. Sure enough, I did.

The article was actually written by a guest blogger by the name of Brook Lynne and she basically didn’t see why prostitution was illegal. “In my opinion, if the man is willing to pay, and the woman is willing to lay down, then it seems as though to be a victimless crime,” she wrote. “Besides, sex is a free act that belongs to its owner, to charge for it, is the prerogative of the operator.”

Honestly, I’ve been saying the exact same thing for years. Yeah, I understand the “moral” atrocities of selling one’s body, but at the end of the day everyone has the right to do whatever they want with their own body.

Right or wrong, if someone wants to smoke a pack a cigarettes every day that could potentially lead to lung cancer, they have that right. If someone wants to jump off the Empire State Building and plummet to their death, they have that right. If someone gets a kick out of touching a hot stove and constantly burning themselves, they have that right. So why doesn’t the same thing apply to someone that gets paid to get laid?

I actually have a theory on that.

America is a country built on money and the way the government gets their capital is through taxes and as far as I know there ain’t no coochie tax. Therein lies the problem for good ol’ Uncle Sam and the world’s oldest profession. If “he” can’t get paid off your sexual income then it’s considered “illegal.”

The same thing could be said about marijuana—which has been found to have some medicinal value—being illegal. I bet if weed were ever legalized it would be because the government put a tax on it. Because cigarettes are believed to be way more dangerous and no one on Capital Hill so much as bats an eye because they’re getting their cut of the profits.

I honestly believe that the illegality of prostitution has less to do with moral values and more to do with cash value. Seriously, since when were the powers that be so worried about the ethics of our alleyway bedroom activities? If someone wants to sling ass for cash, they have that right and the government shouldn’t have a say in that no matter how immoral society thinks it is, IMHO.

Now, let me reiterate that I’m not saying I condone prostitution in any way, shape or form, it’s just that I don’t feel there should be a legal precedent against two consenting adults agreeing to have sex. Yeah, money is exchanged, but where’s the crime in that?

“The crime should be giving it up for free, outside of a monogamous relationship, that is,” writes Brook Lynne. “This doesn’t bother me, and should not bother you. Seeing as most women are indirectly prostituting anyway, right? They’re a ton of women who go to clubs, basketball games and industry gatherings just to snatch up a deep pocket gentlemen, and either that night, or later on in the courtship, sleep with them, in hopes of wooing their pockets.”

Not to diminish the value of courtship and de-romanticize it, but Brook has a point. Regardless of love and all that mushy stuff, when most men first meet a woman he’s attracted to he’s thinking about sex. Everything he does from that point on is probably centered around trying to “hit that.” Sure a real relationship can develop but everything is building up to S-E-X.

Whether it’s money spent on dinners and movies for six months or just spending time, a man "pays" for the privilege of a woman’s company in hopes of having sex eventually. Unfortunately, a lot of men put their time and money in only to mess up somewhere along the line and lose out on their chance to hit. Prostitution just cuts through all the red tape and speeds up the process. She gets enough money to have all the dinners and movies she wants, while he gets a nut. End of story.

Now, before anyone tries to chew my head off or utters the dreaded “s” word (sexist), let me elaborate. Not all men are coochie-chasing machines that are only out for one thing. We fall in love, we care about our soul mates, and we don’t all view women as “holes” to poke. The correlation between prostitution and courtship I’m trying to make is just an extreme example. Whether it be a wad of cash up front or several dinners and good conversation, in both instances it all comes down to a woman making a decision to have sex.

That’s not to say that men don’t play a role in sex as well, but I tend to put the onus of consent on the woman because most guys would have sex on the first date if given the chance. It’s generally the woman who holds off on dishing out that coochie coupon, if at all. Similarly, a prostitute has the option of declining a “John,” barring a sexual assault where her freedom of choice was taken away.

Yeah, prostitution is morally wrong to most but aside from that I don’t see the real issue—legally at least. Of course I wouldn’t condone anyone I know doing it nor would I seek out the services of a hooker (sorry, NWSO don’t pay for punany—not directly at least), but if two consenting adults want to get it on with no strings attached and leave some change on the nightstand for good measure; who am I to care or intervene?

“Women from all over in every profession are selling their pussy, soul, and first born to get to what we call the ‘American dream,’” Brook writes. “Whether it’s direct, or indirect, face it, sex sells, and women haven’t been using their sexuality to get what they want since forever (a promotion, money, homes, cars). Personally, even though I choose not to dabble in the sport of direct hooker-isms, I certainly do not think it should be considered a crime. It’s a fair exchange between two consenting individuals who need a scratch itched.”

Do you think prostitution should be illegal? If so, why? Is it just because of your moral objections or some other reason? Should the government should have a say in what we choose to do with our own bodies? Do you think the reason prostitution is viewed as a crime is because it can’t be taxed? Would you agree that something like cigarettes is more harmful than prostitution? What would you do if you found out someone you knew was sleeping with people for money? Could you date someone that had been with a prostitute before?

Speak your piece…

Tagged as: hooker, law, prostitute, prostitution, Sex

Momof3

I agree with you whole heartedly... The ONLY reason it's illegal is because there is no way of taxing it. If I'm not mistaken weed is now legal in california, because they're taxing the places that sell it.

Personally I don't think prostitution is all that wrong. We've all done it in someway. When a wife holds out on her husband until he gives her something she wants what's that? I wouldn't ever knowing be with a guy that's been with a prostitute though. Pros have sex with a lot of men in one night and who knows if protection is involved. And a good few of them are drug addics. Way too risky for my taste...
da ThRONe

The whole lack of moral issue is a joke. Another reason I dont follow religion. Sex isnt immoral its natural. Sex is only immoral because one person (St. Augustine) decided it was after he got tried of hoeing for decades.

It was a common practice to have brothels close to priest quarters. In fact most societies understood the importants of prostitution and just taxed it.
da ThRONe

Thats not true prostitution is legal in Nevada(a state with sense) and its both taxed and regulated!
cake211

You're giving humanity WAYYY to much credit in this one man lol You do realize that you are talking about the same people that need to be told by the law that it's not right to judge people because of their skin color, sex, or sexual orientation, right? The same people that need to be forced by the law to allow people the right to voice their opinions and to pray to whomever they want. The same people that need a law to tell them that they can't sell and buy other people. Let's be real; Politics are politics as usual, but let's not pretend that all laws are based on politics alone. The nation has a right to protect its citizens from itself lol

Notice, we don't need to have laws for animals because humans are the only animals that have the ability to and will willingly harm themselves and others for reasons other than survival. We're the only species that kills needs a law to tell us that we shouldn't kill each other.

The reality is that people generally don't have enough sense to make wise choices. People aren't naturally equipped with the ability to regulate their behavior, that's something that takes time, patience, and practice.

Most people DON'T learn how to have self control, which is why you have people addicted to drugs that aren't even physiologically addictive. (ie, people having a psychological addiction to weed). It's the reason why there is still such a thing as a "tobacco industry," despite it being common knowledge that cigarettes are deadly. It's the reason why we are STILL campaigning for people to practice safe sex, and we're STILL trying to bring down AIDS rates in super-power countries like the US.

Yes, it is 100% true that sex is a "free act that belongs to its owner," and "to charge for it is the prerogative of the operator.” But just because you CAN do something DOESN'T make it a good idea. With the power to do what you want, RESPONSIBILITY is a necessity. Putting a price on your body is the same thing as making yourself a slave, a commodity that can just be bought and sold. If you consider yourself a product, you can't expect people to treat you as more than that. There is no possible way to regulate prostitution because a product can't have rights. A product doesn't need to be respected. But a PERSON does. And aside from that, while we would like to think that we all have noble character and would look beyond it, who REALLY wants to settle down with a prostitute? Who wants to be the one to say, "Yeah, you pay money and you only get sex, but I put on a ring on it, and I now I get good sex AND headaches whenever I want!!"

Does that sound right to you? Cuz it just sounds stupid to me.

@da Throne For the record, SEX isn't immoral. the BASTARDIZATION of sexuality is, however, immoral. Humans are the ONLY animals that are blessed with the ability to use sex for more than procreation...and yet we want to make it something that can be bought and sold like a car. I am a Christian, and NO WHERE in the Bible does it say that sex, being sexy, being sexual, or anything of that nature is wrong. We were actually created to be sexual, God WANTS us to get a jones in the bones. It does, however, say that being a whore or having sex with random people (as opposed to a wife or husband) is wrong because whoring isn't good for the self, and your sexual prowess should be for the one person who deserves it the most.

As a sexy beast and former whore , following this Godly law isn't just about "mindlessly following rules," it's about realizing that this way of living makes more sense than constantly allowing sex to make things messy. As much as we would like for it to just be a physical act, it isn't. You can choose to believe otherwise, but the truth is the truth.

Sex is a natural act because it's how animals procreate. But humans are blessed with the ability to do and experience MORE with sex than what other animals can. So why should we try to approach ourselves and each other the way regular animals do?
Elle

It is legal out here. They pay taxes, get their booty cards stamped regularly and all that.

*shrugs*

So yea ....
Rita

I think that its entirely possible to make prostitution legal. It was done under the rule of Emperor Caligula in Ancient Rome for the same reason: TAXES! To make this possible would require a "coochie-for-sale" database, and I'm guessing its not likely that the girls (or guys, or whatever) are going to be lining up to register. Not only does it take money out of their pocket, but it also makes their identities and practices known. Which leads me to believe that, if prostitution is legalized, there would be special areas for them to "hook", where they would be watched over and protected, and the government would make sure it got its cut. The government would just turn into a big, fat, furry-hat wearing, pimp-daddy.
http://www.findingtheg-spot.com Rita

I think that its entirely possible to make prostitution legal. It was done under the rule of Emperor Caligula in Ancient Rome for the same reason: TAXES! To make this possible would require a "coochie-for-sale" database, and I'm guessing its not likely that the girls (or guys, or whatever) are going to be lining up to register. Not only does it take money out of their pocket, but it also makes their identities and practices known. Which leads me to believe that, if prostitution is legalized, there would be special areas for them to "hook", where they would be watched over and protected, and the government would make sure it got its cut. The government would just turn into a big, fat, furry-hat wearing, pimp-daddy.
BTW I love your blog!
BMW2K

Although I despise the notion of being called an "indirect" hooker (being married for 15 years), I do see the point regarding prostitution. However, I feel this perspective is truly from a male point of view.

The issue is that prostitution devalues the act of sex and minimizes the physical relationship between men and women. I agree with Cake11's perspective that the union should be one based in a relationship, and not just for dollars. Rarely does one who lives that type of life escape unscathed with their faculties fully intact. The emotional/mental scarring is often permanent. Not to mention the physical abuse many of them suffer from the men who view them as only a hole.

I believe (and I could be wrong) the majority of prostitutes are what they are because they have no choice (runaways, addicts, generational, etc.). To legalize such a profession wrought with crime would only make the situation worse (Las Vegas is not exactly the best place in the US to raise a family).

Additionally, for men to say it is no big deal - well what else would they say? For them the damage is negligible, but how many of those same men who support prostitution and its benefits would turn around and commit to that women who they have been paying for sex? Even if they were seeing her every day for 10 years? How many want their daughters aspiring to such a profession? Apparently, at least on some level, these "supporters" are not too right with the profession either.

Males have been trying their damnedest to find the easiest way to get females to give up the garden since "THE" garden. And the less quid to get quo the better. Prostitution gives them their bang and the buck gives them their absolution.
Dutch

Its legal here in the Netherlands too (but I guess thats what my country in notorious for).

They have a social security number and pay taxes just like everyone else..

They have healthcare insurance and are obliged to get tested every three months.

Also it is much safer out here as they have windows out here and a special district. They dont have to do it in the freezing cold nor have to get into strange cars with the possibility of disapearing and what not.

Legalizing it makes for a much safer practice. People should be entitled to decide for themselves what they do with their body.

@Elle Where do you live?
Anonymous

@cake211 I just want to point out that dolphins also have sex for fun!
Shequita

I think every woman over the age of 20 has indirectly prostituted in one way or another..especially if they were married or in a committed relationship...Example: Giving your husband some nookie because you know it will make him susceptible to agreeing to go to the Opera when he'd rather be watching football.
I think its illegal because its a trade that can't be controlled and it makes BIG money. But I have to agree prostitution leads to other crimes being committed.
meazyneezy

im sorry but ive never read such ignorance from men since ive been visiting this site especially from the sites creator himself i totally agree with cake and bmw2k's view.in this day in age men i know atleast me dont never want to pay for sex in these days money is not the only thing that can he exchanged for sex materialistic things such as dates,cars, even favours are exchanged for sex i dont think any man or real man would except the idea that he has to spend his hard working money to buy sex with a woman that doesnt even know your name or could possibly end your life early with a disease ever heard that saying one night of pleasure can give you a lifetime of pain.

yes i know that this can happen with any women paid or not but talking to a woman that doesnt have a hidden agenda or doesnt want to paid for a service is good for the soul usually they say that men who pay women for sex are insecure men who dont feel good enough or "worthy" of themselves, men who are lazy and just want it and dont want to put the effort into the good conversations and convincing a women they are worthy of having sex with if you dont have any game to get a woman or cant get sex from woman because your a lame o then theres ways to enhance yourself you just have to put the effort to make the change remember theres a partner out there for everyone the beautiful the ugly the strange and the just plain ol physchotic men should not make excuses to pay for sex just cause you cant get your fantasy or that woman from the playboy magazine in the street theres still vagina for everyone dont be picky if you wanna get laid you will get laid
Rastaman

There are a myriad of reasons why prostitution being made leagal is so troublesome especially in America. There are far too many people invested in making sure other people are not having too much fun. It undermines their whole grim view of the wrold and their ability to control other people's pleasure.

Think about it seriously, who are the folks who get all up in arms about sex, especially if it is ex without some consequences?

They try to make even married folks have consequence for having sex too often..pregnancy by not using birth control. We call them haters but there is an undercurrent in this society of people who hate sex and the idea that you may be able to get it, whatever you want whenever want by purchasing it drives them batshit crazy.

A lot of the social leveraging that goes on this society involves sexual favors and if that is removed from the equation by making it a strict monetary exhange, could you imagine what type of hell would break loose!!

Don't you people realize a whole scale legalization of prostitution could overturn the whole apple cart of sexual politics in this country. Some women may even have to buy their own drinks and pay their own bills. Men may instead take that money directly to a pro and what about the bar, clubs, lounges.

Liquor companies, clothing companies, car companies and all kind of consumer good manufacturers who use sex as a sales tool would have to change their marketing and possibly make actual products of value.

What are you people anarchist!!
alysimone

i think legalizing prostitution (and weed by the way) would go a long way in lowering the violence that currently surrounds the practice and give a giant boost to the economy.

alli know about legal prositution i learned from HBO's cathouse..but it seems that if the rest of the US were to follow that form then prostitutes would be legit workers with w-2's, benefits, over 18, tested for STD's way more than the average joe and probably taxed up the wazoo..all of which is a better situation than what is going on now..

we may think it's wack for men (and women if cathouse is on point) to pay for sex....that only women in desparate situations would do such a thing (again i reference cathouse.. these ladies are in it to win it)..we may not want to believe a 'real' man would do it.. but it happens...and will continue to happen til the end of time...so let's make it safer, regulated and taxable...to me that's not saying it's an okay thing but just recognizing what's going on and making it safe for all involved..
MissMe83

UMMMM So here is the thing. I seriously don't believe in prostitution. But I am the one to play devil's advocate..so here I am again. To everyone who gave stipulations of what sex SHOULD be (i.e. when someone is in a relationship) those are just your views. You can't prescribe your lifestyle for EVERYONE else. I believe initially it was deemed illegal for moral reasons, but now it continues to be illegal for taxation reasons. Which really doesn't make sense to me...b/c they could easily tax the hell out of the punanny and of course people would pay for it. And also, yes the profession may be violent, but who is to say that once it became legal, rules and regulations couldn't be put in place to help make the profession a little less dangerous. Window washers have provisions in place to make their jobs safer, why wouldn't Pros.

And then to the poster who stated who wants their daughters to become a prostitute...honestly no one, then again I don't want my daughter growing up to be a maid either, or my son to grow up and be a janitor. The thing is they would still be my child and I would love them just the same.

And, might I add, NWSO did make the subject of this blog about women prostitutes, men prostitute as well. There is just a stigma against women. But there are plenty of male escorts out there, and plenty of women who would pay for one. It's an interesting double standard. Are our (women) bodies more valuable than our male counterparts? I'm just saying don't jump on men saying this is just another ploy to get the punanny...especially b/c we all know SOME men aren't trying to get the punanny at all....they may want some man meat themselves...and the prostitution laws/legality would apply to them as well

Mind you I don't condone prostituting. I can't get with that, I wouldn't date a man who was a prostitue and if I found out someone in my family were a prostitue I would be concerned. But that's just me and my values. I know that everyone isn't wired like I am.

@dathrone....ummm Christianity doesn't deem sex as immoral. Sex outside of marriage yes, but not sex. In Genesis 2:21-25 (i believe) God tells Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply, to be naked and not ashamed. This is the FIRST ordained form of worship.....the only stipulation is you need to be in a marital covenant. ALSO just an FYI: God uses prostitutes all throughout the Bible for his works. Mary Magdalene was a Pro....
Sorry, I know this may be too much, I didn't come on here to witness to you all..lol
mizzeboni

I was going to say something but im just going to say CO-SIGN with Cake211.. she said it all

I mean, I followed Brooke's blog and her on twitter, she is an intelligent girl..however, I did not agree with all her views.. I mean I get the whole JUST LEGALIZE IT ALREADY but lets be real- THEY CAN LEGALIZE IT BUT WONT.. Why are you people not getting this? THey have legalized weed in Cali and prostitution in Nevada, do you REALLY think its just because of the tax? NO! Sorry to say, there is no seperation of church and state..if there was then we wouldn't have a prayer being held before the presidents are inaugurated or the refusal to marry homosexuals. Separation PLEASE! Half them politicians usin them anyways, so why wouldnt they? Its called the immorality of it. People who believe that legalizing prostitution would only solve something thats going on anyway are not looking at the ramifications that it may cause.

And to say that ALL women are prostituting in certain way is just ridiculous. IM SORRY BUT IT IS. My man is unemployed right now thanks to the economy but I stay right beside him! He barely has money to take us anywhere, only to pay his bills and rent. I sometimes have to help him with that
so to say that I am using sex to get ANYTHING is ridiculous. Yes, there are some girls that do but I love this man and have never used sex to get anything from him but a smile. I feel that the same thing can be said about men too then! There are men out there who sleep with females to have them take care of them. By referring to only women doing this is a bit sexist, especially if its coming from a woman.

@dathrone- everyone has said everything I was going to say. People should really read the bible and study it before they interpret it incorrectly thats all I am going to say.

P.S- I have never needed the company of a prostitute so I could care less about it being legalized..sooooo those who are really pushing for it....hummmm
da ThRONe

@MissMe83

Mary Magdalene wasnt a prosititue!(For the record). I will reframe from further educating people about their own religion because it never ends well. I think religion especially christiany is BS so you can quote the Bible all you want that doesnt make it right.

The bottom line is this is deeper than sex not being taxable or safe because it is all over the world even in the states. Its one of those things where everybody is afaird to do the right thing because of public perception. Like somebody mentioned weed is less harmful than alot of over the counter stuff. Check how many alcohol related deaths vs. how many marijuana related deaths. Prohibition proves its way more dangerous to banned these things than it is to tax and regulated. Face it your government dont give a shit about you. If they did we would have things like living wages ,universial health care, and college would be free or atleast affordable.
Caribeza

Rastaman makes some awesome points! Anarchy rocks!

Prostitution would be a service oriented profession if legalized, not necessarily seen as a commodity.

All of the following professions are service oriented and judged by time spent and length spent on service. A masseuse who uses their skills to relieve stress, a consultant who uses their innate skill to advise people on financial decisions, a psychologist who provides 1/2 hr to 1.5 hrs of stress relief by impartially listening, a dancer or a musician performing for a group or 1 person.

All of these people can be taxed. Why can't prostitutes? Hmmm they could even deduct the cost of insuring their "body parts" from occupational hazards and potential harm from their taxes, as long as documented and preventative maintenance was followed.

I think making it legal would go a far way in making selling sex safe for the people who would like to do that. It's not for us or the USA to judge what other consenting adults can do with their bodies.

However sex is one of the thorniest issues that any regulated body has to deal with. From abortion clinics to safe sex education in schools no one can agree on that particular freedom of choice.
DC Man With a Plan

This is one of those blogs where ery'body can have an opinion that is slightly different from the next person, but reaching an adult like consensus ain't hap'n...EVER! lol......I do agree with much of what Cake211 had to say, she's onto some intellectually honest shyt, IMHO.....And others have added interesting thoughts and tid bits of info. Truth is, NO man thinks positively about "women doin with their body as they will" if you include his mom, daughter or sister. HELL naw, that thought pattern doesn't apply when it gets personal like that. The women biologically connected with me can't do it, but OTHER peoples sista, daughters, moms--can. That's pretty hypocritical, but that's how we roll. And sex for cash is not as simple as it's made out to be. In places like Nevada where it is legal, there is a definite stigma attached to those women, but they can escape back into the village and blend in with the rest of the women bcuz there is such a small number of them doing it, when compared to the millions of women roaming thru the rest of the nation. I would rather our society remain moral hypocrites, so we can "fake it until we make it" than to just whole sale surrender to what SEEMS logical and clinically business like. Like it or not, this country was founded on moral grounds--they've NEVER been applied or practiced as intended, but it's still the basis under which it was founded and to me, that means something. U trace a black man's roots back to the motherland and I'm sure you will find prostitution was frowned upon there too, though it existed, but men were also able to have more than one wife. And who needs a prostitute when you have 2, 3 or 4 wives? lol....That’s what women REALLY need to agree with: Polygamy!
da ThRONe

@DC Man

Just because you dont like something it doesnt make it wrong. If you would disown a person you love because they choose to do so that is your personal views. But how can anybody support the government form of oppression?

Its really funny that people can be pro-abortion and neg-prostitution! I remember so many people stating how the goverment has no right to tell you what you can do with your body now its completely ok for the government to do whats right for you. What a joke!
MissMe83

Well I'm definitely not getting into a Christianity debate..specifically b/c that's not what I was trying to turn it into..... BUT for the record, you don't have to educate me about my religion. I have a Bible and the internet and I conduct religious research (not just Christianity) on the regular...Also,who is to say that I am misinterpreting the Bible rather than you (that is for whoever said people misinterpreting the Bible) If someone is living their life based on the Bible, it's ALWAYS from their (or trusted clergy's) interpretation...and seeing as there is no ONE correct interpretation that EVERYONE will agree on, determining who is right and who is wrong is impossible. I wasn't trying to throw the Bible at you with my scripture quote, I just used that as a reference to show that religion (specifically Christianity) isn't saying sex is immoral, just best preserved with the confines of a marriage. And seeing as though I am TRYING (keyword..trying..lol) to live my life as a Christian, then it is true for me.

But I do apologize, I wasn't trying to turn this into a religious debate...

@DC Man, do you really want 3 or 4 wives...have you seen Big Love? What you do for one you have to do for them all......Black men in America aren't ready for that! lol
Momof3

@ da Throne AMEN brother! Gosh people make me sick! To each his own! I know what I will and will not do with MY body and that's all I can control. There are some things I'd rather the people I love not do but if they do I'll love them all the same! I'm PRO-CHOICE not just in abortion but in LIFE...
http://amplifiedgrammar.blogspot.com/ AmpGeez a.k.a Get Rich Or Blog Tryin’

prostitution is like buying bottled water. The shit is readily available for free, but it's really about quality & convenience.

But legalizing the sticky icky should take precedent
Cuz I luvz the wacky tobacky lol.
http://nwso.net NWSO

@meazyneezy

If you were lumping me into the "ignorance" bracket you're welcome to that opinion, but I think you misread or read over what I was saying. I wrote repeatedly that I didn't agree with prostitution and wouldn't want anyone I know to do it, also I would never partake in a prostitute's services, I also see the moral issues with it. BUT I don't see what LEGAL right the government had to intervene in what someone chooses to do of their own free will. If the church came in on moral grounds fine, but don't see the legal leg that the government is standing on to make prostitution illegal while cigarettes, alcohol, abortions, etc are legal. Like I wrote out if I want to burn my hand on a stove I have that right. If I wanna jump off a building I have that right. Is it fair/moral etc? Of course not, but aren't we supposed to be "free?"
Anonymous

@ Da Throne, you're right, just bcuz I don't like something doesn't make it wrong--what did I say I didn't like? And I didn't say I would disown anyone I love, just that they couldn't count on me to save their azz if they choose to go at life the hard way. As far as abortion goes, U and momof3 wanna throw everything but the kitchen sink into this discussion. There is no direct correlation between thoughts about abortion and thoughts about prostitution, they're two distinctly separate issues. One has to do with sex that leads to pregnancy, the other a way to earn money that most women and men find troublesome. But for real, legal prostitution in regulated areas would be cool. The gov't could ensure the women and men were safe, had regular health check-ups and ery'thing was pimp free so the workers could benefit from their labor in a safe and clean environment. A red light district I could work with, but ery'thing has to have limits.
da ThRONe

@DC Man

Ans also brought up the comparsion of prostitution and abortion so its not just me and Momof3.

And that would be the point of legalizing prostitution to make it safer for everybody involved. It is completely naive to think that just because something is illegal it wont be done.
http://teanhoneybread.blogspot.com t. allen-mercado

I agree. I don't see any reason why prostitution should not be legalized, I've been saying this for years-it's free enterprise at its finest.

Further, as a woman...as a feminist (shudder) I agree with the concept if not the phrasing of indirect prostitution-on both sides. Mushy stuff aside relationships, marriages (of which I am part of for 20 years) etc. are at the very crux, a business arrangement. Explicitly expressed or not, whether the agreement is about coochie, cars or the kids-there is a give and take-an arrangement.
cake211

firstly, i wanna thank the other commentators for their co-signs, it always makes me happy to know that i'm not THAT crazy lolol
i SO agree with DC Man with a Plan, hypocritical morals are still better than no morals at all.

@NWSO yes, we are all free, but we're "free" because no one owns us. the government doesn't stop us from doing anything we don't wanna do, because, clearly, people are still prostituting themselves despite it being illegal. Laws are just guidelines for what the government believes to be the best decision for the country. It doesn't mean that you aren't free to do what you want.

Also, prostitution is not as black and white as yall are trying to make it!! It's not just as simple as "let me have sex for money. and just make sure i don't get raped." What happens if you get pregnant by one of your johns? Does the baby become a business expense? What happens if somebody is lying and you DO contract an STD? If someone rapes a prostitute, would it just be considered "stealing" and not a crime against another person? Would we have to allow pimping if a prostitute decides that it's a necessary business decision? There's so many other variables with prostitution, its just not that simple.
da ThRONe

@cake211

You talk as if its not already legal in the states and places around the world that face those same issues. Once again Nevada allows legal prostitution and do you hear them having issues like these. Those prostitutes have strict guide lines on safety and are tested regularly. Anybody who doesnt follow those rules are arrested just like if it wasnt legal.

As far as babies Im sure most females would opt for an abortion. But just like in almost all business transactions something can go wrong and somebody is usuall liable and it can become a mess!

So despite it being legal its still "Fuck at your own risk"
cake211

@ da thRONe
I just went and looked this up to make sure i wasn't lying to u.

Nevada does allow prostitution, but sex workers can ONLY prostitute in brothels. And even then they can only have brothels in counties that have a population of 400,000 or less, in the middle of no where. it's not well known, but brothels are actually terrible places because theyre just legal pimps. They basically have it set up so that brothel workers are isolated and have limited access to anything outside of their job; many of them aren't allowed to have cars, they don't work hourly shifts, their shifts are days and weeks long, and their children have to live in another county. theyre basically legal sex slaves because brothel owners are that terrible, not to mention, most brothels are run by outside pimps anyway.
Even the sex workers rights groups protest against brothels.

Basically the brothels are set up to protect the consumers but the workers are only maintained enough to do the work theyre supposed to do. Theyre sex slaves.

But its legal, people go there, get their kicks then go back home, healthy and feelin good.
cake211

oh yeah, and those legal prostitutes don't get benefits. So if they do happen to get infected, sucks for them
Elle

I cannot speak for Nevada brothels but in Germany, hookers are free to come and go as they please. They pay rent for the room and that is it. The rest of the money is theirs. We have huge apartment buildings which are rented out to nothing but prostitutes. As far as benefits are concerned: seriously? These women make 5k easily after paying their rent or their pimp for that matter. I am sure they can afford to pay for health care and save up for the future out of the money they make. There are many high end hookers who now own clubs, restaurants, shops, dance schools etc. So as long as these women do it by choice, I say more power to them. Just be smart about it.

However, there are some women being kept as sex slaves and the government is trying to do its part in fighting and preventing it. But they do exist. As long as the borders in Europe are open and people in some of the EU countries are struggling, there will be men making money of young girls/women who are desperately trying to escape the life they know. And THAT is where prostitution becomes a problem. But I am sure that happens in the US as well - legal or illegal.
DC Man With a Plan

Thanks Elle for the over-seas view. I only think of Amsterdam having legal prostitution, bcuz I didn't know Germany had it too. Anyways, DaThrone, you're taking my words out of context. I know prostitutions occurs and for some women it's a matter of choice, but for others it isn't. Additionally, I don't want my government to legitimize prostitution, which by default means you also legitimize all of the issues associated with it. I can sign off on legal prostitution if it’s limited, highly regulated and only legal in Red Light locations. I really, really do NOT believe a woman with numerous opportunities for making money would choose this route. There may be SOME that are highly educated and semi-rich that want to do it bcuz they're supa-freaks, but I doubt many women who have completed grad school--resort to hooking. And if highly educated women DON'T see it as a proud, intelligent manner in which to make a fortune--you gotta wonder WHY it’s mostly limited to struggling, poor to middle class persons. For every story about some rich, well educated hooker, there are a thousand stories about drug using, poorly educated, low self esteem women working in that industry and trying to make it sound cute and acceptable. At the end of the day, NOT many former hookers are getting married without changing their name and life story bcuz dudes do not want to marry former hookers. Do not want their baby mama to be a former hooker. So when her tits start to sag, and make-up can't cover up the blemishes from a rough life on her back, she's done bcuz she can't compete against the young and perky tricks. Who will be concerned about her then? When she's too old to trick? As a society we have to look out for ppl and help them to NOT make stupid choices by limiting some options. When you can't proudly announce what you do to earn a living at the family cookout--you're career choice is a PROBLEM!
http://www.tanyalouise.net Tanya Louise

Da throne I love you!!! Spoken truly from a man from Kemet!!! Yes prostitution should be legal and whatever consenting adults do should be legal!!!
I am not a huge fan of homosexuality but what grown folks consent to is thier damn business!!!
I am so fed up with this "moral" system. Jim Bakker got caught with a hoe twice!!! The British actor Hugh whatever got caught gettin some. Prostitution is illegal because it gives power to women to certain extent. Jay you said it yourself the power of the PUSSY! That's why we love you !!!
Dutch

@ DC Man with a plan

It is actually the Netherlands that has legal prostitution. Amsterdam is the capital, but it is not restricted to Amsterdam

If I am correct, also the UK condones prostitution
cake211

Again, I gotta co-sign with DC Man!!! Women who choose prostitution as a career are in the minority. From what I've been reading, most do it as a last resort to make ends meet, even if they see no real problem with doing it. More often than not, they do it for the money, not because it's a job that brings such joy to their hearts.

@Tanya Louise "The power of the pussy" exists, when you offer it to anyone who wants it at a monetary price, the power is no longer in your hands. Yes, prostitutes can set their price for what they think they're worth, but if their price is higher than what the CONSUMER thinks they're worth, they either have to lower their price to keep up with competition or keep their price but they have make sure that the consumer is getting their money's worth. Business isn't about the seller, it's about the consumer. The consumers are the ones who have the money so they have the ability to "demand" what they want.
So prostitution doesn't really make women power players.
da ThRONe

@cake211

I never said it was perfect but are women being killed? Are they contracting a ton of STD's? How much money they make or how fair the rules are is a completely different issue altogether! And its something that can be tweak to be more fair to the ladies. But we arent talking about sex slaves or minors this is about consenting adults.

And ofcourse they do it for the money! Most people hate their jobs! But the bottomline is its a choice and its their choice that impacts them and them alone. As a free person everybody should be able to make a choice if that choice only affects them or they arent hurting anybody but themselves. Just like its legal to drink but not drink and drive. Because the minute you get behind the wheel your choice starts to effect other non-consenting people.
da ThRONe

@DC Man

This is clearly a case of you forcing your view on other people. I dont know the number of prostitutes that get married, but you cant make something illegal based on it. Marriages are failling at an alarming rate. Are they going pass a law that limits the number of times a person can marry? Ofcourse not why because its your desicion to make not the government! And prostitution is the samething.

I rather marry a prostitute or pornstar than a golddigger! Atleast people selling sex is honest with themselves and others.
cake211

@da throne

Are there women being killed? Yes. People kill for money all the time.

Are they contracting tons of STDs? Yes. And then they get fired because they can't sell anymore.

And, yes, I am explicitly talking about prostitutes.

How much money they make or how fair the rules are is 100% relevant because the argument being made is that prostitution should be a legitimized option to making money. The bottom line in business is always making money.

It's completely silly to think that prostitution only affects the prostitute; you can't prostitute if other PEOPLE aren't buying your services!! Making prostitutes get tested is only a safety measure for the people who buy them, NOT for the prostitute. There's no regulation on the customers having to be tested, so it's okay for a customer to accidentally infect a prostitute but it's NOT okay if a customer accidentally gets it from a prostitute?
da ThRONe

@cake211

1st where are you getting your info from?

They are people who sleep with a bunch of partners and they have that choice! If they wanna turn it into a hustle who are we to tell them they cant. History has proven (and you cant agrue this) the best way to handle things arent to make them illegal its to make it legal and regulate them.

Nothing is ever prefect but there is no way you or anybody can convince me that all in all making prostitution legal isnt better for people who choose to live this life. I cant believe people would put their on views ahead of whats best for people. I am against abortions but I wouldnt outlaw them because I know it would just go underground and more people would be hurt or would die then if it stays legal.

Its wrong to force your beliefs on people. Prostitution has always happened still happens and will always happen! You can either make it as safe as possible our bury your head and the sand and let more people get exploited, hurt or even killed that didnt need to be!
da ThRONe

@cake211

And as far as the risk of being a prostitute how is that any different than any other job with risk. Are we to disband Firefighter because its dangerous? Are we not to allow people to work offshore because of the number of causalties? Anybody who choose to be a prostitute is fully aware of the risk!
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

Either wasy it goes, we're screwed (literally & figuratively), so "live and let live" is my mantra when it comes to this. This is one of those topics. like religion and women's reproductive rights, that always gets heated.

(In my opinion though, the way it's done in Europe seems like the "best" way to me. Please take "best" with a grain of salt.)
cake211

@da Throne

The internet is an amazing thing. Can you believe that you can actually find legitimate articles and statistics supported by unbiased research? Who woulda thought, you can just be curious about something and have the answers at your fingertips. And then have facts to back your opinions.

Let's keep it 100 right now; Generally speaking, prostitutes don't sell sex because they like sex, they do it because they need or want money. If they just wanted to have sexual pleasure, they wouldn't feel the need to make people pay to have sex with them, they would just have sex with them.

You cannot argue that "history has taught us that the best way to handle things is to make things legal but regulate them." If anything, history has taught us the OPPOSITE; Remember that whole "separate but equal" situation?

The Netherlands has legalized and regulated prostitution, but now they're experiencing an increase in human trafficking, crimes against prostitutes by employers and customers, and organized crime. Even though it's "regulated," the government there is constantly shutting down sex "windows" and brothels because of rampant criminal activity involved. The same things are happening in Thailand and Japan, where prostitution is also decriminalized and regulated. These three countries are have the highest rates of human trafficking.

So you don't think the government has the right to tell women they can't abort babies, but you want to give the government the power to regulate when, where, how often, and with whom a person can have sex for money?

I'm sorry, but you can't compare a prostitute to a firefighter. A firefighter saves LIVES as a service to the community. A prostitute provides sexual satisfaction as a "service" to the community...
Achaia

prostiturion is illiegal because the goverment cant find a way to properly tax it. If they could find a way i, pretty sure that it would be legal. Much liek the reason they will not make marijuana legal. The ancient romans rathered one had sex with a prostitute that lay with another mans wife.
da ThRONe

@cake211

Are you serious? Really?

All I can say is prohibition!

OK I have a question miss Sarcasm(yes I noticed the sarcastic remarks ). What are we gaining by continuing to outlaw prosititution???
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

cake211 made some good points.

Just gonna keep on lurking & watching this conversation.
MissMe83

Although I tend to disagree with some of what Da Throne says...I think he's pretty much said it all. This is the case of CONSENTING ADULTS. Folks who know what they are doing. The other crimes are going to exist if prostitution is legal or not Also, no one can say that ALL prostitutes...and hell even MOST prostitutes get into this line of business as a last resort. Yes those are some of the stories that we hear...but you never know..And last resort to what? No job? You can ALWAYS find another job..may not be what you want, but you can find one. Anyone who uses the last resort excuse is looking for quick money and not just a job. I know PLENTY of people who have sex JUST because they like it. If they could charge for it, you better believe they would rather get their nut and cash too than just get the nut. And side note: all of those problems that you mentioned happen in the US where prostitution is illegal. And might I add if the US made prostitution legal, the resources that the legal system uses on arresting and prosecuting pros could be allocated elsewhere....just a thought.
cake211

Sorry, I am a serious smart ass lolol

It's clear that the industry of prostitution is screwed up, but the best solution isn't to legalize and regulate it because there is so much more evidence that proves that it won't solve any problems, and it will actually make the problems dramatically worse.
da ThRONe

@cake211

You failed to answer the question! What is there to gain by staying the course?

How will making the hoe business legal make things "dramatically worse" as you put it?
cake211

@da throne

There has yet to be a modern day example of legalized prostitution has benefited anyone involved. For the most part, it's made the ills of prostitution worse. Seriously, look it up. ESPECIALLY The Netherlands since everyone uses it as a prime example of legalized prostitution.

If things are already bad, why would we implement something that would most likely be more of a detriment?
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

If prostitution is to be tackled, whether it's regulated or not, we ought to take care of the reasons why people (because men do it too) go into prostitution in the first place. First and foremost, however, is health - getting tested, exams, etc.
da ThRONe

@cake211

All the numbers I have seen says their sex crime rates are much lower then ours! To me that means their way is better.

To Spinster point no problem will ever be solved without education. We are the product of our society!

But to better make my point(at this point Im sure Im wasting my time). The act of prostitution is as old as society so the idea that its going somewhere is naive. And unlike murder or theft its a matter of personal taste. So why force your opinions on others. To say legal prostitution would raise sex crimes(with all due respect) is silly because the act is as active illegal (if not more) than places where it is legal.
da ThRONe

And the question here is where does the government get off telling two or more consenting adults what they can do and what they cant. If its ok for me to gamble my life away, drink myself into a coma, or smoke my way to lung cancer. Why cant I buy some pussy if I so well choose?
cake211

@da Throne

the issue isn't their crime rates compared to ours, the US is 3 times the size of those countries, OF COURSE it's gonna be higher.

The issue is that when prostitution became legalized the rate of sex crimes in the country went up.

Gambling, drinking, and smoking are different from "buying pussy" because none of those are a service that requires another person to be involved. That pussy you're buying is attached to a person.

@Spinster
I think you're absolutely right. People should be more informed about the fact that prostitution isn't just simply "having sex for money," it's so much more complex than that.
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

Thanks cake.

The average age that a girl/woman gets into prostitution is 13. Yep - THIRTEEN. While I see the validity of each side's arguments for or against making it legal, I know for a FACT that most (if not all) don't go into it because they want to. There's usually a bunch of underlying factors.

I speak from experience - working with difficult ass kids is my career. We've had (and still have) more than a couple girls who prostitute themselves. So for me, the underlying reasons for going into it and overall physical health are most important... whether the "profession" is legalized or not.

Guess I had more to say than I thought.
da ThRONe

@cake211

Its crime RATE which means it factors in the population difference!

What you fail to get is that that pussy is attached to a consenting adult. Who should be able to do with her pussy whatever she wants. If she can give it to me free of charge or for a steak dinner and a movie why cant she give it away for 50 bucks?
da ThRONe

@Spinster

I go back to prohibition!

The reason people arent drinking moonshine made out of somebodies garage is because they understood its better to regulate it so its safe to drink.

Why risk going to an underage and/or illegal hooker when you can just go to a legal one?
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

That's the thing ThRONe - a lot of the time, prostitutes are younger than you think they are. They can look as old as they want. All they have to do is push up the titties, wear enough make-up, style the hair right, and say "Talk dirty to me daddy". Most men won't give a fuck at that point. So even if it's legalized and an age limit is put down, there are PLENTY of girls who can make themselves look like "little women".

Again, this is an interesting debate. Not taking any particular side here because all sides have valid points. Just speaking from my experience with difficult ass teenage boys & girls.

Upon my recommendation, please watch the film Very Young Girls. It speaks to this very topic. And kudos to NWSO for writing about it (although he may not have expected it to get this heavy).

Damn, my hands keep typing. So much for lurking.
cake211

@Spinster

Firstly, i want to commend you for having the guts to tackle the challenge of working with troubled kids. i know that's a very difficult task and it takes a special person to do the job.
thanks for saying what you said, even if it was more than what you'd planned! lol!

@da Throne
I think Spinster's comment basically says it all. In a perfect world, we could believe that most prostitutes were grown women that decided that prostitution was their career of choice just because that's what they wanted to do. But in reality, that's just not the case.
da ThRONe

@Spinster

This is why regulation is so important! Prosititution would be like any other job. Which requires proper I.D., regular testing, and taxes.
da ThRONe

@cake211

Kids are already being exploited so how is this current system helping them? Answer its not! If we legalize it and R E G U L A T E it its with the objective to keep people who shouldnt be doing it out of it. This is underage or HIV+ people!
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

ThRONe - you know very well that IDs can be faked, photo-shopped, etc. This is the real world. Outside of DNA testing or putting microchips in some part of their body, there are ways to get over the system. A young woman (or young man) who is desperate in any situation will do whatever it takes to get the money that they need. We have (and had) girls who fuck for things ranging from a pair of Jordans to a place to sleep at night. (We haven't had any young men who have prostituted themselves, so this is just about my girls.) And many of the MEN - yes, nasty ass boys in grown ass men's bodies - don't give a fuck about their age. Got stories, trust me. But please believe that young men and women might do stupid things, but they can be very intelligent and quite clever..... hence getting over in the system.

cake211 - from someone who works in a thankless position with absolutely no expectations of "thank you" and is humble about it all, that's much appreciated.
da ThRONe

@Spinster

They wouldnt just show I.D.'s they would have to be liscensed which means SS cards or birth certificates and included testing for STD's.
Elle

I'm not as interested in the topic so I am not going to look the numbers up but aren't crime rates stated in percentage?
The size of 2 given samples don't matter when we're comparing percentages. I am damn sure any given crime rate in Europe is not as "up there" as it is in the US.

Just saying.

Oh, and ol' boy is called Hugh Grant *drool*

Carry on.
Rastaman

There is no business like Ho business
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

ThRONe - Sorry. I took myself to bed last night. I was tired like a muh-fugga.

Do you really think that the government would want to go through all that just to regulate prostitution? Bureaucracies in general are slow and cumbersome (on purpose, more often than not). Many young clever folks would find a way somehow or another.
da ThRONe

@Spinster

They regulate gambling that hard why not hoeing? You have no idea how much revenue prostitution would yeild local and federal governments!
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

You're right. It'd add billions more. Hell, the XXX industry alone makes billions per year. (Can't look it up right now; at work and not tryna get in trouble for looking that shit up. )

But just like gambling, it won't decrease the issue. It's just like another HEATED topic in this country - abortion. It's legal here. But will that stop young women from terminating in non-legal ways? Nope. Why? Because it's regulated by states also. Women in those states where it can't be done, will find some back-alley way to get it done - whether it's going to another state, finding a medication or concoction to do it online, finding someone who may be unqualified to do it, etc.

So do we federalize prostitution, or do we leave it up to the individual states? How would that work?
da ThRONe

@Spinster

Please dont we need you looking out for them brats! LMAO!

Im no politician but something this big and touchy would probably have to have strong federal regulations. There is no way any government can 100% elimate anything period. But the saying is "If we can save one person than it's worth it". The best way to do it is give people options there is the healthier legal way or the risky illegal way.
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

ThRONe - don't give people credit. Many people aren't able to make decisions based on pragmatism and rationality. They make decisions based on what their BELIEFS are - what they think is MORALLY right based on a Judeo-Christian belief system. You and I may be able to think that way and put religiosity aside (if we even have a religion at all, and I don't think you do if I remember correctly), but most can't. If anyone ever suggested that prostitution be made legal in this country, you best believe and bet your bottom dollar that you'll see protests as big as the "war on terror" and Vietnam. Anything having to do with sex in this country is Madonna-whorish. (Ooooh, that big bad word!!! SEX!!! HELLFIRE!!!)

And just like you said “If we can save one person than it’s worth it”. , that's the drive behind working with my hardheaded, stubborn, difficult ass kids.
da ThRONe

@Spinster

I without a doubt know this world would be better if we wouldnt brainwash many for the personal gain of a few.

But right now given the choice of a cozy bed with a clean legal whore or a back alley with a suspect illegal whore more often then not people will do it the legal way.
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

What makes you think that though? How many people do you know who get thrills out of doing crazy shit just because they MIGHT get caught? Same goes for prostitutes, legal or not. And I still have to go back to the fact that many of them are younger than we think they are.

You are a piece of work for that last paragraph LMAO.
da ThRONe

@Spinster

Ofcourse some people will push the limits. But if your a person with something to lose why risk it for a cheap thrill when you can get the same services(and thrills ) without any of the risk?
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

Because people are nuts. Plain and simple. Some people want the thrill even though they have nothing to lose. Shit, my former governor had PLENTY to lose and was still sleeping with prostitutes RAW.

See how many comments are on here? I shared the article on Facebook and the debate was just as crazy there.
da ThRONe

@Spinster

As far as the dump ass Gov. he doesnt have a legal alternative to based a comparsion off of. So thats not a good example(still funny though kind of)!
cake211

@Spinster

You're saying a lot of the same things that I stated in my very first post on this topic: This view of free will gives too much credit to humanity. We have free will but that doesn't mean that we'll always use it in a way that is somehow beneficial. Like I said, We're the same humans that need a law to tell us that it's wrong to treat people badly based on the way they look or what they believe. We need a law telling us NOT to kill each other. It's naive to think that of given the freedom most people will make the wise decisions.

Also, a very informed friend of mine told me that the government most likely won't legalize/decriminalize prostitution because the government make MORE money buy keeping it illegal. Cuz, let's face it, the government makes more many than anyone from criminal activity.
da ThRONe

@cake211

What you are talking about is communism! Laws to save people from themselves is the dumbest shit EVER! Its like outlawing suicide! If I wanna hurt myself I will and no law can stop that.

And trust me they would make more money off of taxing sex then arresting people because of it.
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

ThRONe - Come on now. Think about it. Everyone BUT prostitutes profit the most.

Prostitute gets busted, john gets busted. Cops arrest them and book them. Paperwork up the ass, overtime hours = extra cash. Correction officers have to watch the jails. They get paid too - regular and overtime just like cops. The lawyer who has to defend each person, as well as the prosecutor(s), gets paid. The prison industrial complex is also massive and makes billions of dollars. They ALL get paid.

And what does the prostitute get?

- if s/he has a pimp, her/his ass whooped
- if s/he doesn't have a pimp, s/he loses the money s/he could've made that night.

And there are probably a few more things to add to the list.

Sounds like you want a free-for-all society, where we can just f--- & pay and do whatever we want. It's never that simple. Most of us NEED laws to keep from becoming ravenous, murderous beasts..... just like cake211 said. (Not in those exact words of course, but you get my point.)
Beeee

I'm totally confused by the idea that prostitution needs to be illegal to prevent abuse. Hello, wake the hell up, abuse is happening. Clearly, your method failed. It's horrible when people are forced into prositution, and it's horrible regardless of their age, gender, or nationality. But making this illegal doesn't prevent it from happening. I'd like to see prosecution legalized so that the police can focus on pimps, human traffickers, and anyone who threatens, controls, and forces another into prostitution.
And now, awkward as this is to say, I am a woman, I am a feminist, and I have used sex to get advantages. I don't stand around on street corners propositioning strangers, but... I've hooked up for presents, food, alcohol, movie tickets, music, back massages... and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I'm an adult, and I affirm my right - and everyone else's right - to do what I please with my body.
da ThRONe

@spinster

What part of regulation are you guys not getting?

As far as the "free for all society" we are there now. I can go to a strip club or street corner and pay for some ass right now as I type. With little to no fear so whats the difference?

There is no way to compare Murder to sex! That is just ridiculous.

Consenting sex for money = killing somebody!

Get out of here!
cake211

@da Throne

What I mean to say that the government has the right to protect its state from being destroyed by it's inhabitants. That's not communism, that's self sustainability. Our government is built on the idea of "for the people, by the people," and the "people" want to live. Staying alive includes not killing yourself. The government is supposed to be like putting tape on you're thumb to help you stop sucking it. Obviously, since you put it on you can clearly take it off, but you will get buck teeth, which you can live with, but you won't look cute.

Also, this is NOT a "free for all" society. In that type of society, sure you could go and buy a prostitute then go along your merry way. But if she had a pimp that was an undiagnosed schizophrenic that thinks you were tryna take his ho, he could also knock you the eff out with a bit** slap with the butt of his gun with little to no fear. And then be on his merry way.
http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com/ Spinster

Thank you, cake211, for saving me some typing energy. You said (all or most of) what I was trying to say in my last comment.

ThRONe, even with regulation, there are ways for people to "get over". You're giving humans way too much credit.
da ThRONe

Ladies

"The key to righteousness is enlightenment not persecution"

You cant not force people to do the right things to themselves only others and even that can be tricky. This is the point of living in a free country.

As far as dealing with pimps we all are getting pimped in one way or the other. The point of regulations is to reduce the one-sided pimping that goes on in prositution. If they werent labor laws you would be feeling more like a prostitute on your job. But since we REGULATE labor with laws you go from prosititute to employee! And the same thing will take place if we legalize prostitution and regulate it like we do things like gambling.

If we really wanted to end prostitution we would pass a law making it

-Illegal for people to pay for dates. Making everybody go dutch.

-Only allowing people to date somebody from there tax brackets.

-Force couples to have sex a minimal number of times per week.

-Enforce a strict country wide dress code.

-Make attending sensitivity and self-esteem classes mandatory for all citizens.

But then we wouldnt be a communist country! We should have the right to exercise our freedoms however we want as long as those freedoms dont infringe on another persons freedoms. And consenting sex(reguardless of whats gained or lost) is not an infringement on anybody freedoms and thus should be legal under the right supervision and guidelines!
Rastaman

@da ThRONe

I believe the thinking being espoused is that "prostitution should be illegal because it is wrong and it is wrong because it is illegal". I think that is an example of the circular thinking that underpins much of what passes for rational these days. I put it inline with the "Bible is word of God because it says so in the Bible".

They don't call it the oldest profession in the world as a joke. Since the dawn of civilization there as been prostitutes and I belive the very next day they started making laws to stamp it out. My question for all those for making prostitution illegal is "How is that working?"

It never cease to boggle my mind that the reasons people put forth to oppose legal prostitutions are the same ones that occur because it is an underground industry. Child prostitution, abuse, disease, and exploitation are all a result of being an underground industry. Because siunce all the participants are committing a crime, if they are victimized they cannot seek redress from the authorities.

I can understand being morally opposed to prostitution, you believe it threatens or undermines society or your values. that is perfectly fine, there are many things in this society that i believe undermine my values but that is the price we pay for living in a free society.

It is governement's job to make people's lives better. What benefit is it to society to continuously oppose something at great cost but neverr get rid of it, especially if the numbers say it is getting worse and causing much social harm. If we bring it out in the light and regulate this vice maybe we can make things better for those who by choice or circumstance work in that industry. The lottery killed the numbers game, and the repeal of prohibition killed bootlegging.

Vice is a part of the human condition, keeping it underground is not a solution to curing the social ills that accompany vices.
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There's no simple answer for it, in my opinion. All points are worth considering. The question for me is - what weighs more in the balances, the pros or the cons?

For me, anything that increases the health and well-being of people is worth giving a try. But because of my experience with young people who have gotten into this, it's hard to make a final determination. And again, this is not a moral issue for me as much as it is a pragmatic and holistic-health-focused issue.
da ThRONe

@Spinster

Pros-

Tax money
Regular testing
A heathier option
Age testing
Less people in jail for consensual sex

Cons-

None(People are still doing it so the law isnt stopping any of it anyways)
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I totally agree with your point of view, as much as I agree with the people against your post. I guess, it should be all up to a certain individual to decide whether he or she would approve to prostitution or not. For those who disagree, maybe its all because of the illness that many could get from prostitution. I must say its also because of their faith, or religion. I have nothing against what other people believes into. They put their heart on it, so the best way to deal in this matter is just to respect each other We all have our wild side, so even the US government, doesn't have enough power to control everyone. Ironically, some of the people who regulate the Laws against Prostitution, is also paying women for sex That is inevitable fact, and I guess, everyone is aware of that But I still agree, that sex would be more great, if we can do that without paying our partner...I still enjoy sex with LOVE and Passion and not jUst LUst and MOney
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BIG Rob

UNCLE SAM IS A PIMP!!!!! It is ONLY about taxes period. And if it were TRULY a free country it would be legal. Uncle Sam could also be considered a pimp!! How you ask?? A pimp has his ho work for him, do the work and then give him their money. In return, he offers her protection and gives her some of her money back. Uncle Sam has you/me work then we give him our money (pay taxes) while he provides protection (Military) Then givies us some of it back (tax returns). Also Alcohol was illegal at one point too until big Uncle figured out how to tax it etc. gold diggers are the same as hookers too...sexing the men for clothes, salon visits, cars, paid rent. Look at the NBA alone. And if they are lucky enough to get pregnant....cha-ching. In the beginning of most (not all) dating scenarios, the man is paying of dinners, movies, gifts etc. to try to woo her into giving up the booty (sad but true). The women always say "not on the first date" etc. because they know the longer they hold out, the better the gifts get. And if they do get married, suddenly the booty slows down or stops altogether and is only used when she wants something or reserved for bithdays-lol. My wife's friend told her she was holding out until her husband bought her new furniture. how loving. Any woman who tries to deny that they have used sex (at one point or another) is full of crap. There are sugar mommas, Sugar Daddy's and so on. Bottom line is....it should be LEGAL because evryone (men too) in some form or another does it or has done it or will do it in the future. The government should worry about more important things than what a woman or man does with the one thing that truly belongs to them (or does it?).
Loredana

If you are all so happy with prostitution why do you hate your parents for cheating on eachother.

I am ashamed to live in a culture where people are so pathetic that you cant even be loyal in any way. You are all worse than monkeys.

Love Is Not Sth Anybody Can Ever Buy no matter what you cheaters are convinsing yourselfs in.