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Do You Need Titles in a Relationship? (Love & Happiness)

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Dear NWSO,

I've been in an "exclusive" relationship (meaning we’re not seeing other people, but we are not BF/GF yet) for a little over a year, but my “companion” hasn’t made any moves to take it a step further by putting a title on it or asking to be in a more committed relationship. When we first met, we discussed what we were looking for and marriage was on both of our lists—although we weren't saying that it was a done deal between us.

Every few months I would ask him if we were progressing and if he wants more. His response in the beginning was that he has certain tests that people he dates must pass. He also mentioned that it takes him a while to develop feelings. Now, his response is more like, "What do you think?" or "When are you going to flash on me?"

Lately, I try not to bring it up because I’m completely happy in every other aspect but I really don't understand why he's making me wait so long. He has mentioned before that he has dealt with some crazy chicks and that's one of the reasons that I've remained patient because I think he is just taking his time to figure out if I’m crazy or something. But he says I passed all the tests and he cares about me a lot.

I don't understand it because we act like a couple—we talk every night, I've met his mother, friends and family, plus we spend all of our extra time together. Even all of the actions and future talk is there. I've brought him around my child, my family and I'm falling in love with him or am already there.

We are both in our thirties and although I’m not ready for marriage yet, I don't want to feel like I have to wait five years for that step to take place (if it goes in that direction) because he is slow to commit. I also don't believe in ultimatums, so I haven't pushed the issue of wanting a more serious relationship too often.

I know that not totally understanding why he hasn't asked for more is what is making me question everything. Plus, I'm scared of being hurt, as well as wasting time.

My questions are:

Should I be patient and wait it out because I'm happy? Do I need to stop asking if we are progressing? Does it seem as if he isn't interested in committing? Should I get over the title thing and be content with exclusivity? Am I wasting my time by possibly being a space filler? Should I pull away and see how he reacts? How do you feel about testing people during the dating phase? Is exclusive the same as BF/GF when you are in your 30's? Does it usually take men this long to commit?

Any other advice would be appreciated from you and your readers.

Sincerely,

Waiting for a Lil' More

Peace sis,

Before I really get into your questions; one of the first things I noticed is the fact you called this man your "companion," which seems so flat and stale for someone you care about. I think the terms we use to describe the people we are dealing with can be very telling. Companion sounds like the Lone Ranger (remember him?) and his trusty stead, Silver, more than someone you've been spending quality time with for the past year.

Or maybe you used that term because of your own uncertainty about where you guys stand in terms of a title. If that’s the case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. I just know I wouldn't want to commit to someone that considers me their "companion." LOL. I'm actually curious as to what he calls you? Again, his choice of description for you can be very telling of how he views you and the relationship.

As for the status of the relationship and a title issue, I'm on the fence with that one. I'm a very slow mover myself in terms of dating and titles, as are a lot of guys. It's a matter of liking your freedom and enjoying the company of someone special while still feeling them out. Problem is, a lot of guys have no issue with just going with the flow. Most women will site the phrase, “Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free,” but not every man looks at it that way.

I dated a woman off and on for several years with no clear title. I cared for her deeply but for whatever reason I saw no need for putting a label on our relationship. We were cool in our space—at least I was—so things stayed in that comfortable grey area until it was no longer mutually beneficial.

In my case, I was in a semi-open relationship but based on what you say you guys are "exclusive" (as far as you know). If that's the case, this is really a matter of semantics. If y'all are only sleeping together, have met family, speak everyday, etc and everything is rosy, you basically are boyfriend/girlfriend in my book without the title. You’re in what I like to call a pseudo-relationship. Everything is there but homeboy is just scared to put a title on it for whatever reason.

Don’t get me wrong; I can definitely see how that can be frustrating.

From my own experience, he won't make a decision about a title for y’all until he's good and ready. So it's up to you to be happy with being undefined or happier looking elsewhere for a commitment.

Now, you mentioned all these tests that he has that you have already passed—which adds even more confusion to the mix as to why he won't commit if you fit his criteria. But I have a question for you: What tests do YOU have for this man? Really analyze him and figure out if this is someone you want to devote anymore of your time and energy just for a possibility of commitment. Maybe when you do your own test you'll discover he isn't even BF material or quite possibly you might find that he’s worth the wait. Either way, only you will know for sure.

Here’s another question for you: When you ask him about the evolution of the relationship and he responds with "What do you think?" Well, what do you think? I'd really be interested to know what those dialogues are like beyond what you laid out in your letter and what you're thoughts/responses are regarding all of this.

You say you're happy and he treats you well so part of me is like leave well enough alone and be happy. But the fact that this is of concern to you and you have some sort of timeline of when things should move forward or move apart it’s clear that this is not the best situation for you. Being a woman in her 30s, I understand the idea that there's no point of engaging in a relationship that has no future, as you have less time to "waste."

I did a blog back in 2008 called “Six Degrees of Desperation (What Man Wants That?)” about a friend of mine that had this rule about not dating a man longer than three months because she wanted to get married. She believed that 90 days was more than enough time to make that assessment and move on.

At the time I thought it was quite silly—especially since she was only in her late 20s—but I can see SOME merit to that line of thinking now. Some people find themselves dealing with someone just because or they realize they're not compatible with someone long term but still deal with them anyway. My homegirl's approach, although extreme, did cut some of that “wasted” time with someone that's not you're "one."

In terms of this guy waiting to see if you might be "crazy" I think he's had ample time to make that determination already. He just sounds scared to me.

You also said you're falling in love with him or almost there. Which is it? Either way you should be in love already if you're considering a commitment and potentially marrying this man one day. You're worried about why he hasn't asked you for something more serious and you aren't in love with him yet? I think you need to clarify you're own feelings towards him to see if you yourself even want/need a commitment from him or if you should cut your loses.

If you're not ready for marriage yet then what are you looking for at this point from further commitment? Just a title of BF/GF? For a long engagement? Of course you shouldn't wait around for five years but I'm hearing conflicted views in your letter.

At the end of the day, do what feels right for you. If you're truly happy as is sit back and enjoy the ride; if existing in an undefined space doesn't work for you then make your own moves to change that. He can either walk with you or walk away.

As for your list of questions: I think I’ve answered most already but if you’re actually progressing that's good and hopefully in time you'll be at the same place. But if you're not moving forward and things are stagnant, albeit happy, again it's up to you on what you want/need to do.

"Is exclusive the same as BF/GF when you are in your 30's?" Eh, it all depends on the individuals and what the various titles mean to them. As long as y'all are in agreeance on where y’all stand that's all that really matters. And every man is different, so there's no clear-cut answer on if "all men" take this long to commit but yours most certainly does.

Hope this helped.

How important is a title to you when it comes to relationships? Could you stay with someone exclusively that made you happy in every way but just wouldn’t claim you? Do you think this guy is playing games or is just scared? What are your thoughts on people that have “tests” for prospective mates? Would you be offended if someone you were seeing referred to you as their “companion?” What do you think this reader should do? What did you think of my advice?

Speak your piece…

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  • Joe

    I had to fight with my girlfriend for a title...I put it like this...if I don't have a title, that entitles me to do(fuck) anything I want.

  • http://spinsterstravels.wordpress.com Spinster

    Been there, done that, hell naw.

    Used to talk to someone (no sex) 2 years ago and from the start, he said he didn't "believe in titles" and wanted freedom. Therefore, taking him seriously went out the window. Was talking to other people (no sex) and when he found out, he got upset. Me: "You said you didn't want a relationship, you don't like titles. Why so upset now?"

    A good mantra to have: "When a person shows you who they are, believe them." He showed me and there ya go. *shrugs*

    Plain and simple, if we're exclusive, there needs to be a title. If the person "doesn't believe in titles", then just watch me walk away and enjoy my freedom with other people (until one has mutual feelings and we settle down). *shrugs*

    Just my own Spinster-shaped opinion. *shrugs*

  • #5

    Sis-
    There's a clear difference between being cautious and being a coward. Brotha sounds like he falls into the latter category. Everyone has some skeletons in their dating closet but it sounds to me that he's using his past as an excuse to be selfish. It's been a year already and I'm guessing if he won't call you his girlfriend he probably will never call you his wife. He's holding back emotionally and that's not fair to his "companion" (hate that word). Sounds like some intimacy issues jumping off.

    If he's saying things like "When are you going to flash on me?" that makes me think he knows what he is doing is cowardly. I say be honest with him. Tell him how you feel about it. If you ignores your feelings and clams up ya'll obviously don't want the same thing. The title may not seem like a big deal to some but it's obviously enough to make you unhappy and you don't deserve that.

  • MissMe83

    Yea I tend to agree with Joe. I'm not necessarily saying the words GF/BF NEED to be put out there, but at the same time there needs to be an understanding that we aren't JUST dating. I do believe that GF/BF are just words, but the relationship that you have is more significant. It sounds to me that they are in a relationship...give it time ma'am. If it's that big of a deal, then just sit down and talk to him, let him know that the uncertainty in your relationship doesn't sit well with you. i wouldn't advise you to come on to strong...but at the same time, if this is the man you possibly love, then he should be able to sit and have a real convo about this..especially if it bothers you.

  • Amber

    I agree with Spinster if your exclusive then you should have a title. She also deserves a title if she's put in this much time with this guy. Also if you read Joes comments or read Steve Harvey's book (I am not saying he is the end all be all on love) BUT if the guy isn't okay with a title then he in his mind can still do whatever he wants.

  • YoungJay

    Everytime this topic comes up it pains me to no end....

    I partially agree with Ans in that I think we should start looking at the way our partners treat you and you won't have room to question titles.

    My ''Woman'' (insert any title you want) will know she is such because I show her in my every action, my every word, and with every part of my being. I'm more of the ''You can write a book on me just by observing what I do'' type of people.

  • BMW2K

    This is strictly my opinion but I strongly feel that when a man wants to claim you, he does - period. It is really not about you (female) wanting the title. Men mark their territory and let others know that particular women is off the market. Think about that guy from your past that was calling you his "lady/boo/whatever" and you weren't even feeling him like that. When men find/realize what they want they let others know.

    NWSO was on point. You need to assess what you really want and need without settling. Then make your decisions accordingly.

    BTW - that definition at the end? I would be insulted if I did not know that some men think that way. :-( It is such a shame that some men see commitment as a trap.

  • BeautyReloaded

    I’m facing a similar situation myself. I’ve been dating someone for about 2 yrs now(off & on) and I still don’t have a “title.” I actually lost my virginity to this person and he‘s the only guy that I have been with sexually. At first it wasn’t that big of a deal for me bc I figured we’re both still young( I just turned 23) and he’s 24 so what’s the rush to be in a committed relationship? But now I’m realizing that things aren’t progressing the way that they should and it‘s just time to move on. I’ve now started to date other people bc I feel like he’s never going to commit.

  • BMW2K

    @ Young Jay

    Man!! R U on the EC? Because really, I have a younger sister that I would LUV for you to meet. That is allowing that you and Elle are still just winking at each other. . . I would not want any missiles coming my way ;-)

  • http://thoughtsof100k.blogspot.com/ 100K

    The way a man treats you is > a title. Look at how many people claim "I have a girlfriend" and such but still step out.

    Actions speak louder than words. A title means nothing in most cases. It's a social construct

  • http://www.traumaanddrama.blogspot.com Ms. Sylaneous

    I think no matter how old you are I do think titles are important. Sure, one could argue that titles aren't needed if each party is secure enough in the situation, BUT c'mon.... who doesn't want or need that little 'extra' every once in a while. It's kinda like knowing your man/woman loves you, but still get that little flutter when he/she actually says it. (I don't know- maybe that's just me though).

    I also think that for some people, the FEAR of titles is rooted deep in the fear of 'messing up'. If a guy says he's my boyfriend, (I think) he would feel very inclined to NEVER look at another woman, to never have or speak to any of his female friends and what not. For me, that's not true at all. If I'm going to be comfortable enough with you to WANT you to be my boyfriend and to want to be your girlfriend, then I'm already comfortable with your female freinds and your STRICTLY 'what up homie' relationship. I'm not crazy, a man will be a man (and a woman a woman) when see things that look nice to us, we will look, so I'd be a fool to think that my boyfriend wouldn't look at some body else.... it's called GIFT OF SIGHT. It's not a crime to look, gawking and staring might get you pinched, but it's not a crime... LOL.

    I think that if a guy is reluctant to call himself your man or you his girl, that can be his 'saftey net'...JUST IN CASE he 'strays'. His arguement can always be, 'what? so what- yeah I was out with her, but I mean seriously, it's not like I cheated on you, I'm not your man.' And at THAT point, he's correct, he's NOT your man, so he didn't technically 'cheat'. You can't technically 'cheat' on your 'companion', or 'cuddy buddy', or 'reportedly exclusive' friend. You cheat on your GIRLFRIEND or on your BOYFRIEND.... If that title is never established, then 'cheating' can never be an issue... (that's just how I see it though...)

  • http://www.metanotherfrog.com/?cat=15 Sam Sharpe

    Titles matter only so much--as Mrs. Tiger Woods can tell us. As some of you have already stated, what matters most is the quality of the relationship. If you and your partner/significant other are clear about your expectations and both parties are content or satisfied with the situation then the title is irrelevant.

    In a way it all comes down to communication. Interesting how that always seems to be the case.

  • shor5ty1

    It is what it is. Any relationship requires communication and if you can't communicate with him and get a set answer that you are looking for then i suggest you don't waste your time. Life's too short to dwell on the what if's if you want the what is. None of us are getting any younger and tomorrow is never promised. So you might as well be as happy as you can today while you still have that option.

  • Righteous Mama

    I'm IN this situation so this is interesting to me. Your advice is on point Ans. Especially, your point that she should be doing some tests of her own. She should be less worried about how and if she measures up and more concerned with does HE measure up. It sounds though like she is happy and he is cautious. I'm a fan of enjoying the ride and not getting caught up in titles. The companion thing is flat. I prefer love, lover or sweetheart. But I think my sweetheart calls me his peoples. smh. (hate that) But at least when asked he will say he is "seeing someone".

    But when you've been seeing someone for over a year (in my case it's been ah, let's see 15 months lol) You do start to wonder. Our relationship has been firery and our compatiability has taken some time to get used to. It's still not there on some levels but the fact that we are still seeing each other tells me we both want to continue. There is time for us to explore, learn and test one another to see if and when we should take it to the next level. In the meantime, our relationship is private.

    But this is why there is wisdom in dating more than one person. I wouldn't suggest sis sleep with more than one man but the old adage don't put all your eggs in one basket is a good one to live by. I've heard people say too that a man needs to know/feel or realize he never wants to lose you before he makes his commitment known. If a woman is all up in a man's face all the time, he never has time to miss her. He has it all. Hence, why buy the cow...Women must also learn to be honest about what they really want, what really satisfies them and honor that. I'm glad you encouraged her to do this Ans. I am learning this. It is hard because it requires me to be more vulnerable than I've ever been. I have my own fears about marriage and relationships to shed. I'm taking my time. And it's a great ride. One of the best in the park.

    I don't have the same urgency that other woman do, I'm dumb busy and I have other issues obviously. lol. Eh, I'll settle down at some point. In general, I think people get so caught up in looking at people like possessions, like a thing that must be claimed, that it hinders their ability to live in the moment and see people clearly for who they are. Love does not seek to possess. I'm curious to know what the rest of the men have to say on this one. Particularly DC Man and Rastaman...I always appreciate their comments/wisdom.

  • skye

    Hi errbody,

    happy 2010.

    I like yr answer NWSO- well thought out. Me personally, i want my damn title, do not get it twisted. It's always tricky in the beginning of a relationship or whatever u want to call it. But sooner or later, it becomes clear where u two are heading- whether u will just be sexing each other or actually building something.

    Either way in my 30s u had better tell me within 3 months what the eff we doing. Sure this dude sounds scared, but I also suspect he likes the idea of being wanted so much by you. *shrug* If he's just scared of giving u a title, i suggest he build a bridge and get over it because from thE sounds of it- ya'll are already BF & GF.

  • YoungJay

    @ BMW2K

    lol Yeah I'm an EC'r. Even though Elle and I are still playing the winking game, I'm inclined to give her some more time to figure out what we doing before I move forward haha

  • DellaG

    well the only thing I can tell sistergirl is a man should be upfront and honest from day one. Either he wants to be in a relationship with you or not. What's up with "the tests"? It sounds like he's trying to dump his past relationship baggage on you.
    Hope he's not stringing you along

  • BrwnSug

    I think the whole title thing is important to some people and not important to others. To be dating for a year tho, introduction to family, etc that would frustrate me alot. How did he introduce you to his fam and friends. I agree that men state their claim on women, and if he hasn't given you a title yet, then maybe he's just not that into you. I think this young lady needs to back back a little bit, take some time to figure out what she wants and this will give homie some time to figure out what he really wants. Men surprise you when you start to recognize your worth, and let him know that whatever foolishness they THINK they're gonna pull off isn't going to work. I don't care if he is scared about a commitment. Who isn't reluctant about letting someone into your inner most thoughts, and being vulnerable with, if they don't begin to work as a team, communicate their thoughts, and be on the page, he's gonna run shit for the rest of their untitled life together.

  • Elle

    I am with BMW2K.

    It doesn't take a whole day to recognize sunshine and if a man wants you he will claim you - so to speak. In any other case he is keeping his options open so he can always come back with the "but you're not my girlfriend" line as some sort of weak excuse.

    I find it bewildering that she is jumping through hoops to prove to him that she is "worthy" but does not spend one second on making him prove his qualities. What's up with that? Is he some golden child who's better than everyone else?
    You want to be with me exclusively? Well, convince me that you are even worth my time. It's not a one way street. Why are women always so worried about pressuring men into saying or doing something? It is her life, she has a right to want a title. He doesn't have to be the one to give it to her but then it is all her choice what she does with that situation. I say: claim your life, claim the control over what happens to you and do not wait for somebody else's timing. If he isn't eager to make you his, some other man will. Trust that.

    Thank God I never had that problem. In my experience men love titles as much as women do when they are seriously interested in a committed relationship. They want to seal the deal in a matter of weeks when they are truly into you - at least IMO. We all have emotional scars but more times than not they go out of the window as soon as the right man or woman comes along and sweeps us off our feet.
    I wouldn't allow myself to get caught up in such a scenario. I want a title gawddamnit. So if I am not your girlfriend, fiancé or wife I am nothing to you and you're nothing to me. Period.

  • quarta79

    you need to ask more probing ?'s .. "Do you see us married and wit children, or Can we buy a house together? If the point is for both of you to get married one day, Find out and Compare his timeline to yours ( open conversation). He does seem scared so you need to assure him you are "IN LOve " with him and you want things to progress... then see where he stands and make a deadline and a decision. If he sees you're serious about following thru to leave he will man up past his fear to keep you if YOu are who he really wants. You Don't need to argue (as women do, or nag) about it ... YOU need to resolve in your spirit on what you need and how you need to act Yeah he seems scared- especially with that ? - "When are you going to flash on me?" Don'tgive him the satisfaction to bail out by you tripping on him about this just talk. you both should be abole to talk to each other

  • Elle

    Oh yea...

    @YoungJay

    YOU are giving ME time to figure it out? Posting my email addy/IM name and asking you to use wasn't obvious enough?

    *blank stare*

  • Elle

    Funny enough, one of my friends posted the following as their FB status today:

    "If someone wants you in their life, they will make it happen. If not, why would you care???? Make time for those that find you significant. Walk away from those that just see you as an option." ~Anonymous~

    Couldn't agree more.

  • DC Man With a Plan

    Happy 2010 ery'body. A lot of men will go along with agreeing to titles for a woman they find worthwhile, even though it's often not important to us. Sometimes, it's just something to keep the peace and stall for time. A year is a reasonable amount of time to know SOMETHING. If a dude is resisting giving you a title after a year, especially if he's hittin that good thang, and you have questions about it, as a grown azz person, you need to ASK what's up, explain what you expect and want and then let dude decide what his status will be, as in "EX" or your man. If you don't feel comfortable asking a dude if he's gonna tell ppl you're his woman after a year of f*cking, sucking, dating and all that, YOU have a problem. I would assume y'all WERE BF/GF from the way the relationship sounds....but if you don't get introduced as: This is MY woman.......dude is leaving his options opened and unless you're cool with that, you're coming up short. Maybe when pressed he WILL come thru; maybe he'll walk. Don't let fear of the unknown prevent you from finding out something you NEED to know bcuz it's important to YOU. Don't fool yourself or accept other peoples view that it is, or isn't important. It's gotta be important to you, or you wouldn't be wasting brain power pondering it. Make dude claim you--or be gone, bcuz you can't find the one intended for you, while you're keeping time with the one who isn't.

  • Righteous Mama

    gulp. sigh. lol.

  • Winter137

    I'm sorry but this whole scenario doesn't quite add up. I'll go as far as to say a contradiction - If someone may be crazy why bring them around your family????

    I'm really confused but it sounds like he's leaving his options open because in his head, he think he can do better * shrug* ‘

    I think Anslem advice was spot on, what is he doing to impress you? You should probably ask yourself who this scenario benefits more…

  • DC Man With a Plan

    Ans, my man. I think your book will be successful because I know you will analyze your target audience and write something that will appeal to a broad segment of ppl. I fully support the idea of you taking time away from blogging to focus on your book project. I would think you could recycle some previous blog subjects, especially those that generated a high volume of responses and find them STILL generating a lot of comments.....Recycling, minus the old comments would create a way for you put out product to augment your new and guest blogs. There are many I haven't reviewed in the archives and I'm sure there are many like me in this regard........lol

  • YoungJay

    @ Elle

    *Sigh*...I admit, your right.

    ::walks away with tail between legs:: lol

  • Rastaman

    I have a different take on this dilemna. My question to her is this her life or is she only a spectator?

    I say this because she takes little or no ownership for what is occuring in this relationship. If she is investing her and her child's life in a relationship with this man then you have all rights to demand more than you are getting. You can't be a casual observer in your own life, you spend a lot of time focussed on what he says and what he wants. What does she want?

    She does not seem really clear on her wants and she is waiting on him to define their relationship. Is that how she intends to live the rest of their lives together?

    She definitely needs to take a step back, not so much to give him time to determine where the relationship is going but herself space to decide what it is it she really wants. What she is bemoaning is that she gave away the keys to the family car, sitting in the backseat but unhappy with where and how the car is been driven.

    Lead, follow or get out the way. Ladies you requested your freedom from patriarchy but yet you still want to take comfort in having someone else take responsibility for your feelings. You can't have it both ways!!

    I am by no means advocating blowing up this relationship but I believe a little personal responsibility on her part is in order here. Do not let the fear of losing this man stop you from asking for more and taking a more active role in the future of your relationship. He might appreciate your desire to take a more active role. But you need to more effectively communicate your feelings, afterall he may need your help to better define what you all have.

    Sometimes we are unsure too but it is hard for us because we fall prey to that same social expectation that we should.

  • Elle

    *looks at Jay*

    uh huh ... that's what I thought.

  • Waiting for a Lil’ More

    @100K & Sam Sharpe - Yea that's what my mama told me. She asked if I would rather have someone cheating on me and claiming me or someone who is there when I need him. He's definitely always dependable and consistent if/when I need anything.
    @Righteous Mama - I asked him what he would do if someone expressed interest in him and he said he would say he was seeing someone. I've wondered about me keeping all my eggs in one basket, but I'm not up for game playing... ALthough I might start being a little less available.
    @Elle - I'm definitely not jumping through hoops to please him. I did my initial "tests" and feel that I want this relationship to continue as long as I'm happy.To answer your questions he actually is way more than I expected.
    @Rastaman - I have not just sat here the whole time waiting for him to decide everything. From jump we discussed what we were looking for and before I introduced him to my son I made sure we were on the same page with expecting more from our relationship. The reason I don't want to 'pressure' him is because I would prefer for him to bring it up. I've been the one to initiate the conversations about where everything is going and I don't want to feel like I forced him into anything. I know that I want to be with him, so how do you suppose I take a 'more active role' and 'communicate better' without nagging him?

    In my relationship prior to this one, dude was ready to get married way too early and that scared the mess out of me. So this is a big change, but at least I know he thinks with his head and not his heart.

    For me, I'm giving him some more time. Call me whatever you want. I recently had a talk with him and I know he sees me in his future. I still want everything to be laid out with more detail, but I'll ride it out until I'm ready to let go.

  • The Duchess

    A year is a LONG time to know nothing..

    Lil More- If you were truly happy, you would be content with this thing you & he have going. YOU know that meeting folks parents mean NOTHING nowadays! Something isn't right & you aren't listening to your intuition so you are looking for advice from others. If the dude loved you, he would claim you. Point, Blank, Period!

    DC- I agree!

    Elle- That status is on POINT!

    Rasta- Bigup

  • The Duchess

    Young Jay is scared of Elle :mrgreen:

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jara

    I usually read the entire post before commenting. But not this time.

    The answer is pretty simple to me:

    Dear Waiting for a Lil More,

    He likes you and feels comfortable with you but doesn't feel "inspired" to step up because you're in his back pocket. He knows that you're waiting around on him to make his decision so he doesn't make one.

    I'm a woman who tends to think of commitment like the stereotypical man and, more times than not, I've been on the receiving end of the "where is this going?" speech. It feels good to know the person sees us as something special BUT it also feels like pressure to make a decision that I'm not feeling, yet. Let me tell ya, if I could sit on the fence forever, I would. The only thing that made me make a decision was the guy telling me "Shit or get off the pot. I like you. If you like me, then let's do this. If not, I gotta move on."

    Sadly, that's the only language a commitment-phobe understands. The status quo has to be shaken up. It sounds like his thinking behind not making a decision is:

    *fear of committing to the wrong person ("when is she gonna flash on me?")

    Which I can relate to...he's waiting on time to reveal a flaw in you, a deal-breaker. But when you're sitting in fear like that, then you can't progress. It's his problem, not yours. (He needs therapy.)

    You said you don't like ultimatums, but why not?

    The ultimatum is: "I'm going to be happy with you or without you. I'd like it to be with you. But if you don't feel the same way, then I have to follow my happiness. Even if it leads me away from you." And then walk - not crawl - away.

    The most important part is MEANING what you say to him. Don't give this speech if it's not in your heart and it's not the gas behind your actions. Don't give this speech if you're waiting for him to chase after you and change his mind. You have to really be ready to walk.

    Men are smarter than women give them credit for...they can spot B.S. from a mile away (when they don't have an erection at the time).

    Good luck.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jara

    Also, Waiting for a Lil More...

    When you're in the waiting position, you're giving away the power/control over your own life to someone else - someone else who hasn't pledged to be a life "companion" (aka spouse) of yours.

    Why?

    I can sense from your writing that each day you wait, your self-esteem is affected. You're questioning whether or not you have the right to feel the way you do, for example. Of course you have the right to your feelings and want what you want!

    The minute you accept this will be the minute you'll get enough courage to walk away from Fence Straddler. If he wants you, he'll come get you.

    Men are territorial that way about that which they love.

    Don't be afraid to find out if he really wants to be with you.

    That's all.

  • da ThRONe

    Clearly Im late here. OK maybe Im too loose in my expectations but isnt being "exclusive" a title? If they discussed it enough to know *In my Bobby Brown voice* "AINT NOBODY HUMPING AROUND"(I did the dance while I was signing too LOL) isnt that enough conformation of where they are. Like a glaced through and read its more about how your being treated more than what your being called. He can call you his "Lil slut ho" but if he treats you like a queen what does it matter? Likewise he can refer to you with all kind of endearing words and agree to a title but only fuck and duck you is that better?

    I have said this a million times people are to mentally fragile. And choose to make problems when there shouldnt be one.

    My advice to her would be to explain to him that although she respects his decision to take his time to confirm things she also needs some conformation that this is something permanent.

  • The Duchess

    Jara- I AGREE!!!

  • Winter137

    @ Rastaman

    comment was so on point it's ridiculous

  • Lonias

    Rastaman broke it DOWN!!!

    I was gonna say something about this young lady being in that endless "love the one you're with" loop, but...fin

  • Elle

    @ The Dutchess

    I guess you are right.

  • YoungJay

    @ The Dutchess

    I'm not scared of Elle (pfft) lol...I'm just man enough to publicly admit when I'm wrong ; )

  • BrooklynBomshell

    HOMEGIRL, Please keep it moving! I been there.. TAKE IT FROM ME.. You are wasting your time! Big time.. I ended up leaving dude & about 6 months later - I saw his facebook relationship status move from single to in a relationship with so & so. You are worth the title! & if he gets everything he wants w/o one.. He won't ever commit. TRUST!

    Title means off limits to them bitches.. & he doesn't seem to think it is worth it to fully commit.

    As I get older ..i realize women make too many excuses for how men think..They really are black & white..all that gray shade is us justifying bullshit!

    The author who responded is a nice guy -- u can't take his word for it! Guys that put chicks thru this.. are the ones you stay away from!

  • The Duchess

    Young J- LOL!

    Brooklyn- all that gray shade is us justifying bullshit<-- Real Talk! Especially if he is STILL kicking that lame ish after a year & she is still buying it.. :neutral:

  • Righteous Mama

    @ Rastaman: There it is! That was excellently stated!

    I agree that sometimes men need support from women to help push them along and discover deeper ways of relating and being in a relationship.

    But I disagree with the notion that you can MAKE a man claim you. Ultimatiums never work. You cannot force someone go where they are not ready to go.

    I just came back from seeing my sweetheart and got my confirmation that all is well with us. I can't even trip off a title because this is a process. Communication is the key and it is a fine dance that we must master. Sometimes the words are hard to express but you can do it Lil more!

    If you think this man is good for you, I say hang in there but don't reward bad behavior and by all means, try to find a way to communicate your feelings without ultimatiums. There is a difference between patience and waiting. If you are no longer satisfied, be out. Let him know you respect his feelings but make sure he tell him what's on your mind and speak from your heart. Ask that hard question: WHY is the relationship still undefined. That's what you really want to know. He will tell you.

    But I wouldn't be so quick to drop a man who is good but slow to commit. It depends on his reasons. Maybe he has some insecurities, maybe it's financial. Listen closely to what he says. Is he trying to keep his options open or is it something else? You won't know unless you ask. There's always pressure from the outside that can make you feel like your relationship isn't progressing as it should. Is the relationship progressing? Ask yourself first. Then ask him. Hopefully you two aren't as far apart as you think.

  • http://www.twitter.com/jazzzyone Jara

    Thanks @Duchess

    @RighteousMama Word to the last two paragraphs of your comment. There it is:

    "...Ask that hard question: WHY is the relationship still undefined. That's what you really want to know. He will tell you.

    But I wouldn't be so quick to drop a man who is good but slow to commit. It depends on his reasons. Maybe he has some insecurities, maybe it's financial. Listen closely to what he says. Is he trying to keep his options open or is it something else? You won't know unless you ask. There's always pressure from the outside that can make you feel like your relationship isn't progressing as it should. Is the relationship progressing? Ask yourself first. Then ask him. Hopefully you two aren't as far apart as you think."

    Ms. Damsel in Waiting:

    People don't like to use the word ultimatum but that's what it is when you make a choice to yourself that you won't wait around not getting what you want. It's all in how you communicate the ultimatum. Not "give me this or else." Definitely use language that will facilitate mutual exploration of needs/wants...but be clear about what you want and also be open to hearing what he wants (even what's left unsaid) as Righteous Mama pointed out. The ultimatum is for YOU, not him. i.e. "If I don't get this, then I'm out."

    Sometimes patience can go far, but other times it's enabling someone to stay stuck. From your description, this man sounds scared to commit to ANYONE. What's his family background? Are his parents divorced, never married, married multiple times? That plays a big role in how we view adult relationships.

  • older & wiser

    Will YoungJay step to Elle?

    Inquiring minds want to know! That's what's UP! No offsite stuff, we want in!

  • Mya

    Wow......omg! This is so my situation right now. I love nwso but unfortunately i dont have time to read the blogs as mush as I'd like to. Of course when i seen this headline in my email i had to read it. Thought I was the only one lol. Comin back with another comment soon but d*mn. Glad to know somebody feel me!

  • BMW2K

    LOL @ "Young Jay is scared of Elle :mrgreen: "
    Yep that or he is getting himself up to snuff to put his best foot forward because he knows Elle "don't want no slackers". LOL

    @ Waiting . . . your response sounded a lot more confident than your letter. You obviously have your mind made up about this guy. We are all on the outside and therefore can only provide our advice from that perspective. If you have done the assessment and you are happy with what you have, then I wish you the best.

  • Tiffany

    I have never done this before so I hope i'm doing it right.

    I think that it's natural for anyone spending a great deal of time with someone to want to know where they stand in that persons life. Anybody can say they are your gf or bf and there u have it a title. But if that person treats you the way you want to be treated and is there for you when you need them. I think that says a lot about them and the relationship in itself. Screw a title, actions speak louder than words.

  • Anike Love

    I think one reason why some people deem it important to have a title is that it gives you a sense of security (keyword: sense), but moreover, gives you a bit of authority to check your partner if they're not doing right. If I'm dating a guy, but we haven't progressed to the status of a "titled couple", then I won't feel comfortable calling him out on any questionable actions, because he's not technically "my man". But when he finally makes that decision to claim me as his boo/girl/woman, then I feel that it shows he's ready to commit, and ready to be held accountable (if he's a mature man) for any of his foolishness!

  • karmagini

    Rastaman & Jara made great points. Too many times, us women hand over our power in a relationship. Some of us think letting him dictate the terms of the relationship is the right thing to do, instead of balancing our needs & his.

    The cliche saying "you have to love youself before you can love another" is so true in this instance. Not saying she doesn't love herself... but if she valued her worth more & as she should, she would not be letting him have all the control. People treat us how we let them. A good man will appreciate a strong woman who stands up for what she wants & deserves. And any man who can't hang with that is not the man for you.

    Sometimes, yes, the man is scared or a commitment-phobe, but if you allow the relationship to be undefined and without clear boundaries that you want, it gives too much freedom & doesn't hold him accountable.

    It's also important that 2 people are able to freely communicate in a relationship. Sounds like this is a problem also.

    Have a good heart-to-heart about what you want from your involvement with him after thoroughly determining that. Even if you talk & come to the conclusion you're BF/GF, you should have a talk about what you want down the road... or else you'll end up being that woman living with a man for years & wondering why he hasn't proposed.

  • Kaylah

    As a single woman in my thirties I believe woman need some type of validation and a title provides that for them. I'm a little on the fence about using the term BF/GF. I kind of think it is a an immature title for a woman of my age but at the same time it is useful for that woman who desires it. I can relate to how that woman is feeling because when I am in a relationship, I want to feel proud to say he is my man and vice versa. Unfortunately just because you have a title, it doesn't guaranteed you the love and respect that you deserve in a relationship. I think it is more important to pay attention to how you are being treated in your relationship because that says a whole lot more.

  • Mike

    Ok, so maybe i'm just naive since i've never been in a relationship (titles or no) but if i'm giving you everything I have to give - everything i'd give you as my "wife" - but we're not married, what is really the problem? Basically, I don't see the need for a title to establish commitment.

    As a side, I don't have a problem with titles, just the idea that marriage is the only way to go if you want to spend the rest of your lives together. To me, two people in love should be able commit to each other and that be it. I'd prefer to skip out on the social constructs.

    I've been counted with "just being afraid" to get married but really I think its just that we are used to people being duplicitous when they try to eschew titles & marriage. Unless there is something outside of the legal "benefits" of marriage that you can't get just be being together?

  • Anike Love

    @da ThRONe

    I understand your argument, because if we don't speak up until we get a title, it seems that all of the sudden, we feel empowered to start telling our man that we don't like his holey-arse drawers, or his wild nights out with the boys.

    The only problem is that if you start calling him out on that stuff early in the relationship, then you get labeled "the nag", or "the girl whose always sweating me". And no one wants that! Either way, you're gonna get told. It's just a matter of dosage (spread out over time, or all at once!).

    So you're saying that you'd rather have a girl tell you that stuff before you all are official? Can't that possibly turn you off to her a little early?

  • da ThRONe

    @Anika Love

    I understand your logic ,but I think its that M.O. thats messes relationships up. And it makes it seem like you gals turn crazy overnight. The minute he comments you change. If you have something on your mind you need to express it weither he's technically yours or not. I for one dont wanna start kicking it with a chick thinking all my mannerism are ok only to find out she hates some of the stuff I do or say.

  • anominous

    Funny how men aren't "accountable" for anything until they use the established titles.
    In my book, every relationship should have its own name, and accountability always applies; one is always accountable for how our actions affect others (there is no get out of jail free card because the dude never claimed his "GF", it still hurts either way.)
    its almost like some girls see the title as some objective yardstick to measure the relationship with, almost so they can compare rule-books objectively like some science experiment. I think yardsticks are personal, private to each couple. Its not science, its feelings.
    And "Exclusive" is pretty clear cut, no? In the animal kingdom, its really simple if you think about it.

  • Elle

    What I do not get is this though:

    Women are always quick to holla about "not settling" unless their beau is 6'4, a Law School grad, holds a 6 figure job, has excellent credit so on and so forth.

    Yet and still, they are quick to settle as soon as they find the guy who meets these superficial criteria for some sort of "no strings attached" relationship when in reality they want commitment.

    I am not saying that this is the case here as far as the story at hand is concerned. It is more so a general observation of sorts. Everybody wants to date the "Michael Jordan" type but tends to forget that he has millions of options and doesn't have to "settle" for just one.

    Women make no sense. :|

    @Jay

    What about being man enough to walking the walk instead of talking the talk *coughs*

    LoL@the "spectators"

  • Caribeza

    @Anike Love

    "So you’re saying that you’d rather have a girl tell you that stuff before you all are official? Can’t that possibly turn you off to her a little early?"

    This is why men are so scared of women and the possibility that they are doing "switch and bait".

    Speak up about how you feel and start as you mean to go on. You don't have to do it in a nagging way, and you only have to comment once or twice. If you have to nag w/out coming to an understanding, it's shit that won't change.

    If a guy exposes his "holey arse" drawers or has wild nights out with the boys while you guys are getting comfortable and you don't like it and keep quiet, he's going to be "like wtf changed" if you comment after you're more established. The guy who's really yours will find your comments cute or a sign of "you care for me". The guy who calls it nagging isn't ready for what you're offering.

    With the post - when 2 people are ready to move forward to a sure-fire commitment - then they'll both make the effort to make the other person happy and secure. If they don't ... they have doubts if this is the person for them.

  • Anike Love

    @Caribeza

    Touché FORREAL lol

  • older & wiser

    @ Caribeza, I cosign with you! Cut the cabbage right the FIRST time! :-)

  • ebwriter

    @LiL' More

    I read about your situation yesterday, but didn't get around to leaving a response. Not too long ago, I was reading another blog that I enjoy called "She's Just Not Into you" the blogger wrote an article on Jan 4, 2010 about Titles in Relationships. You should check it out, along with everyone else who feel that they need a title in order to be secure in a relationship.

    I must say that I am on the fence about this topic, especially after reading the letter on NWSO, and the responses that NWSO gave about the letter. And then the article I read on the blog called "She's just not that into you."

    When NWSO and She's just not that into you, both gave valid points about titles in relationships.

    At one point or another, I have always needed a title in my relationship to feel validated. Even if the relationship wasn't necessarily a good one. And in the end, if I did get the title, more times than not, it didn't improve the relationship.

    So, a title might label the relationship, but that title doesn't guarantee that you will be in a quality relationship.

  • andrew real

    Most problems with girls is that they seems to mix things up, they cannot differentiate btw true love and infatuation.its a two different word entirely. i know that there is true love even if i have not experience one before but i have seen it. for a girl to know if the guy likes her all she needs to do is to keep calm and never jump over things, slow and steddy.taking proper observationof the relationship and watch carefully and not to carried away with the fun behind relationship.

  • bogart4017

    I really get upset if i know somebody and i feel like they are challenging me. So if anybody EVER told me they had certain tests i had to pass i would tell them i was a student over 30 years ago and i don't need to go back to school.

  • da ThRONe

    @bogart4017

    It may not sound good leaving a person mouth ,but isnt that what we all do? Dont you a have list of traits you require your mate to have? And wouldnt you wait til said person have proven that they posses those traits? I would respect that person honesty espcially knowing I do the samething. I just dont word it like that.

  • Irizle

    I can relate to this topic. I was once in a position where the guy im dating asked where we at in relationship. My response was simply im not ready. I told him that I'm still figuring out myself and etc. But the truth was I didn't want to commit cuz I was still testing the water and see what is out there for me. He stayed around and eventually got tired of me but I understand. He had to do what is best for me.

  • Waiting for a Lil’ More

    Thanks for all your posts! I finally pushed it more and found out what the issue is. My honey-do (is that better ;~)) has a problem with how I discipline my son or I should say how I don't discipline him enough. This has already been something that I am working on I just didn't know it was of that much concern to him. I basically let him know that I was frustrated, hurt and concerned with him and not knowing why he has reservations regarding our relationship. At first he was hesitant to express himself because he wanted it to pan out on it's own and he didn't want to offend me. I let him know that if I don't know the problem I can't make an effort to work on it. That's the main hold up with everything and it hurt to hear it, but I'm okay with admitting when I need to improve especially when it's concerning something beneficial to me or my child. We had a good long talk and I'm good now because I know we're on the same page.

    Maybe that was TMI, but just in case someone wanted to know and happens to read :-)

    Anywho, to answer the main question of does a title matter in relationships... I think it depends on the situation. Me as a women I want to feel secure, by actions, words and some sort of a title (not necessarily bf/gf, but where I know you are looking at me long term and it's all about me.. yes verbalize something). In this situation (now that I know/understand the issue) I'm secure with where I stand and the reason why he's reluctant to commit because if I was in his shoes I would feel the same way.

  • Muriel

    He is not that into you.

    I tell you why.
    You put pressure on him.

    NWSO is right, the question you need to ask yourself is ´what do you think´?

  • Righteous Mama

    @ Muriel. You're buggin.

    @ Lil More - GOOD FOR YOU, SIS!!!
    That's a real issue right there. Sure, it's possible he could be using that issue to stall for more time but I dunno. You were there and you believe him to be sincere. Trust your own instincts. I think NWSO wrote a blog about that issue of disciplining other peoples children too. lol. Good luck to you, your honey-do (i like that) and your son! Whatever happens I wish you the best!

  • ice cold heart

    wow everybody i think hit it on the nose in so many different ways. I do think that asking someone to be ur bf/gf these days has gone out the window as far in adult relationships. But i do feel like it is wrong to string somebody on as if you are in a relationship only for them to find out yall are not and just dating or thet been testing you/ the waters. i was once like that didnt want to be in a relationship tell i met my ex. she made me wanna do it again. but i say just come out and ask him do you wannabe in a committed relationship with me are not? don't wait for him to ask trust me as a guy we may never ask! i for got who said it but some guys don't want you tell they cant have you then they wanna try and hold u down so no one else can have you! and thats just not men some women do it to but i think we do it more!

    @elle if you don't mind i may have to put your friend saying up on my facebook lol!

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  • Shak

    I am no where near an expert on the subject of relationships, but for me, if I am in an exclusive "relationship" I need the title. Too many times in the past, I've been called "my woman" in private, but I can count on one hand the number of times I've been introduced to a man's family/ friends, and I think maybe once or twice I was introduced as the 'girlfriend' (I'm still really fuzzy on whether it actually happened more than one time!). If I was just messing around with someone, I called them flings and would refer to to gentleman as my 'friend' (hell, or even someone I know), but when I believed (and not as a result of making something up in my head, but after discussion with the man I was dating) that I was in a relationship, I always found myself not being introduced to the friends or the family, I found that our dates were always at my apartment, and realized that I wasn't the one. My thing is both parties need to be honest about what the situation is, and give the other person the choice of sticking around without that title. Before, I really didn't care about titles, it was about how the man treated me, but I'm 34, a single parent, and I realized that I was being to laid-back about it. There's but so many times a woman can stand around at a party with her 'boyfriend' and he not even introduce her to the people around them. But it was my fault. Instead of bringing it up and rocking the boat in an effort to get a better understanding of why what was said in the dark, wasn't repeated in the light, I sacrificed my own feelings in those situations (where I cared). Now I know what doesn't work for me and can only move forward and grow from it.

    I just have to say this - if you're been dating a man for six months, you drop him off at work (at his family's business), you encounter his parents, and he doesn't introduce you -- you haven't been in a relationship you've just been screwing.

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