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How To Make an Interracial Marriage Work (Race Matters)

WORDS BY FOXY ROXY

If you had asked me eight years ago about the race of the man I would marry, I would have enthusiastically told you Black—point blank.

However, after celebrating my third wedding anniversary to my White, Jewish husband, I cannot see myself with anyone else. I am still as Black now as I was when I met him; that has not changed. In fact, I’m more conscious of my “Blackness” because of him and our daughter.

I met my husband in sixth grade. He was immediately attracted to me, but in my mind, I couldn’t date White guys. I didn’t, until him.

When we finally started dating, he reminded me about our high school yearbook in which he had written, “Call me when you get over your fears of jungle fever!”

I was so pissed when I read that, that I thought to break up with him, but I was in too deep at that point.

Funny enough, when my last relationship ended, I prayed for a man who would think I was beautiful, embrace my natural hair, love my curves and all the other things that a girl dreams of in a mate. At no point did I think he would be White.

So, when it happened, I was unsure.

As I told my friends of my new beau they stared in disbelief and instantly wanted to meet him. They could only dream of the type of White guy to sweep me off my feet. When they met him, though, they understood: He was sure of himself in an unassuming, laidback, confident type of way. I couldn’t let race stand in the way of my future happiness.

This was not without a lot of apprehension.

What would be people think?

If we had kids; how would they identify?

Weeks into our relationship, we had a conversation about race and I asked him why would he give up the ease of life by complicating it with a Black woman?

He responded, “Comfort, safety and strength.”

That blew me away, but I still had my own issues around race to sort out.

We also had another conversation, on in which we promised that we would always be honest with each other about our thoughts, feelings and desires. We had both come out of relationships where those things did not exist and we were not going to repeat past mistakes.

Things just blossomed from there.

’Til this day, we push each other to talk and share.

That promise of open communication has become even more important for us now. Weeks after our first wedding anniversary, we gave birth to our daughter. One of my biggest anxieties about being in an interracial marriage was the thought of children.

Would they identify as Black or other?

Could I love a child that did not “look” like me?

Would he or she be confused about their place in this racialized society?

I had always thought that biracial kids were screwed up and not sure of their identity and now here I was with my own biracial child.

She’s coming up on two-years-old now and I cannot believe how much I love her. That love just keeps growing.

My husband and I have made a conscious effort to surround her with both of our families, so she knows her Jewish and her Jamaica sides. She also spends a lot of time with other kids that also happen to be biracial. Living in Harlem has provided us the opportunity to expose her to lots of different people and experiences in general.

When I first asked her dad how he identifies her, he looked at me like I was crazy and said, “Black.”

That’s how I see her too. Time will tell how she sees herself.

These last three years of marriage have taught me a lot about loving unconditionally. While race matters, it matters less when there are open conversations. My husband and I talk about White identity, Black identity and now biracial identity. Our daughter is noticing and categorizing people already by how they look. I’m waiting for the day when she asks us why we all look different: I’m a nice dark brown, her dad is noticeably fair skinned (turns bright red in the sun), and she is somewhere in the middle.

Research shows that biracial kids recognize racial differences sooner than children of same race parents. Our rule of marriage will apply there too: Open, honest and non-judgmental conversation. I look forward to many more years with my husband and our growing family.

Do you always imagine your spouse as being the same race? Are you open to the idea of marrying outside your race? Do you believe that interracial marriages are more difficult that same race ones? How much of an issue would different religious beliefs be for you in an interracial marriage/relationship? How would you balance out racial identity identities with your child? How much does race matter to you when it comes to finding the love of your life?

Speak your piece…

P.S.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/msrahrah msrahrah

    Being from South Africa where mixed race had it's on classification (well multiple really), I notice it sometimes. Me being mixed goes back decades, centuries and beyond. It can be hard being mixed race, as people often want you to choose to sit in a box -- but nothing in life is that simple.

    My son is South African-Jamaican, he's only four, but he's very aware of race. He knows that I'm "brown", and that I'm one of the very few non-white moms at his childcare (daycare). At the moment he'll tell you he's from Jamaica (he's never been there), but that will probably change in time. I just try and teach him to love and respect people no matter their race (colour, religion, etc).

    I think in time race will become less of a focus. As Bob Marley sang in War "That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes". Dating/marrying within your race doesn't guarantee a successful relationship as there's many factors that are needed for it to work. I don't really have much option but to date outside of my "race" (Cape Coloured is what we were classified as), as there aren't that many here in Sydney.

    Great piece Foxy Roxy, thanks for sharing! The subject of mixed race/interracial/etc is close to my heart! :)

  • BMW2K

    I am from a Carib/Jewish background (dad = AA and Jewish, mom = Carib). I NEVER comment anymore, but this was a Wonderful piece! I plan to send it to my grandfather. He always told me that the best thing he ever did was marrying my grandmother. I think he would like this.

  • http://twitter.com/mzwoods @mzwoods

    Been lurking for a minute but i had to comment on this :) i love interracial couples. I think it is a beautiful thing when you can look past race or heritage and find someone that you love and be happy with them. I myself am a multiracial child (a little different than just straight biracial I guess but i think we all go through the same things)...all of my life i have been asked if i think of myself as white or black and i always say i think of myself as multiracial. then i get the folks that say well you have a drop of black so you are black....I can't say I agree with that. i have more than a few drops of white so does that mean i'm white? I'm sure if i went around saying I was white I would get more than a few side eyes but why is it okay if i just say i'm black? never understood that part. I think what you are doing now in raising your child with both aspects of her heritage is the best thing you can do but i wouldn't exactly start letting anyone (your husband as you said for example) classify her as "black" yet...let her make that decision when she gets to be older. and when she starts asking questions about why people are different colors...just do what my family did and say everyone has different flavors. there are french vanilla people, and caramel people, and chocolate people and peanut butter people and etc...it really helps to blur the stigmas that she's going to encounter later on about racial identity :)

  • Nikki

    I loved this post. Im 19, and my mom jokes with me all the time that "you will make some white guy really happy one day."

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/anslem NWSO

    Tear at the "NEVER" commenting anymore.... What did I ever do to you BMW?

    ***cries self to sleep***
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    • BMW2K

      LOL - I still read the blog. I am just juggling a boy starting middle school, a boy starting high school, work, hubby, and life. Who the heck has time to type? Things might slow down by 2011.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/angelaconley Angela Conley

    For a short time when I was young I thought marrying a white man would be easier. But I realized that if I limited myself to this, I could be missing out on a great thing with someone of a different race. My rationale of marrying in the same race was a short-lived thought anyhow. My upbringing was very diverse, so most of my life it didn't strike me as odd to date someone ethnically different than myself.

    For my boyfriend, he came to a conclusion also that he could be missing out on a blessing with me, if he stuck with his original desires. He explains that while he has no judgement in interracial dating, he always imagined himself with a black woman. We are very open with each other about race and the issues of interracial dating. He has done a lot of work within the black community, and I would never want him to compromise that or his pride because I cannot truly relate.
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  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/angelaconley Angela Conley

    (cont)
    The challenges I face are more so in dealing with other people's perceptions. I have never had a preference like some (white) women do, yet I am questioned as if I only date black men. And if I had this preference, why the hell should it matter anyhow? I am also bothered by the notion that my boyfriend is betraying his race or "settling" to be with a white woman.

    Should we have children, they will be raised with the acknowledgement of each of their cultures & ethnicities. I don't believe someone should have to identify as strictly one race. (Besides, how many of us can actually claim that anyhow---even Caucasians.)

    In general, whether it relate to race, religion, class, geography, etc., there can be big hurdles a couple faces because of their differences. When we can see outside the box of our mind/heart's limitations, I believe we have more potential for enlightenment/love.
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  • Rastaman

    Took me a long time to imagine a spouse, so I never really got to imagining race specifically. My interracial dating experience was never the white woman per se but more Latinos and Asians. But since I am still working on being fully comfortable with the marriage idea it may get to the point where I am just happy somebody wants my sorry ass!!

    Different race, different class, different religions or even different nationalities all come with there share of difficulties. Interracial is just more pronounced because they are easier to identify by outsiders. People who marry into different classes, religions or even nationalities often have their own unique stories to tell and not all of them are pleasant.

    In my relationships the biggest factor as always been commonality of experiences. Once we got past the physical attributes and the sexual tension it was generally about relating on shared values and shared goals. I have generally found that with black women. But I have also experienced that same thing with Latin or Asian women especially if they had a strong Caribbean influence. I understand the need to label and I understand the whole racial identity thing but I think most parents worry about their children as a whole. So I don't think being mixed is any more important than any of the other concerns, its just a more visual difference and thus it garners more attention.

    I do find it distasteful that there are people who believe mixed people are somehow more appealing than others and view them as some kind of acquisition. I can testify that having grown up with many a racially mixed children in and outside my family, that is a fallacy. So all you folks who are driven to interracial dating for the possibility of pretty kids, I can tell you its a mixed bag.

  • Chynadahl

    I was raised in a strict black Muslim family. NEVER did I assume my husband would be anything other than black.

    It wasn't until I really and truly matured that I realized what an infantile and undeveloped way of thinking to limit your potential happiness to someone of one particular race or background. It's hard enough loving ourselves, much less, finding someone who truly loves you. We're all going to be dust in the ground one day. Why waste time on silly particulars like, "hmmm, can I love a man/woman of a different background?" Before you know it, your limited mindset will leave you loveless and old. Love is love. It's the most important gift God gave to us measly humans. Grab it!!!

    By the way, my husband is Black. I married him because he's a prince and a soldier and he loves me unconditionally. Not because he's Black.

  • Chynadahl

    I want to add that it does irk me when interracial couples date for reasons other than love-- like a black man to a white woman b/c of his belief he has a "prize," or her belief that she's reconciling white guilt; or a white man and black woman b/c she wants a biracial baby or he feels newly "empowered." What a waste of a real love relationship either could have with someone else.

    But when it's based off of true love, it's a very beautiful thing, no matter what the background or race. In the end, true love conquers all.

  • Shequita

    To each their own. Make yourself aware of the conflict, work through it and be happy. No one could live my life for me...I married a black man and when/if I marry again (divorced), I'll choose him based on the way we feel rather than the color of his skin. I love me a nice dark chocolate brotha, but who's to say that my "perfect for me" mate is going to come in that package?

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/chanellee Chanel Lee

    What a beautiful story. Your love for your family shines through your words.

  • MsBlackmanSays

    Do you always imagine your spouse as being the same race?
    I rarely think that far ahead...when I have I've been disappointed by the (black) man that I was with... so when I meet someone new, regardless of race I carry no assumptions that this might lead to a long-term relationship...seems safer for me that way.

    Are you open to the idea of marrying outside your race?
    I'm open to it, if I feel the person really loves me, and will be able to deal with the looks, assumptions, comments, etc. that often comes with interracial relationships.

    Do you believe that interracial marriages are more difficult that same race ones?
    Yes I do... you often have family members (particularly parents) who may not be as open-minded, and judgmental friends, not to mention society as a whole...and once children are added to the equation there's often the question of how the child will be "identified", will they be taunted/teased, will they have issues within themselves or with a parent or friend if they choose to identify more with one race rather than another.

    How much of an issue would different religious beliefs be for you in an interracial marriage/relationship?
    I think religion would be even worse for me, because I would like someone to have my same belief...I've dated people who didn't, but it usually would become an issue of discussion multiple times. I think different race but common faith might be easier to deal with.

    How would you balance out racial identity identities with your child?
    Introduce them to the history and aspects of both cultures and not just the cultures of the parents, but all cultures in general. I'm a black woman but love some rock, love salsa and merengue, love Asian food, etc... we all need to open children's minds to all cultures.

    How much does race matter to you when it comes to finding the love of your life?
    As long as I'm attracted to you physically, emotionally, and mentally then you have a shot.

  • Miss Conception

    I was wondering when a story like this would show up? I was proud to share this on Facebook because many of us seem to have a preference to a single race, in which like Shequita said, to each their own. But, I can't really agree when the preference is overbearing and has to influence an opinion of everyone's relationship. For an example, if you only prefer black men, don't be evil or spiteful to the black men dating a woman outside his race. And the same thing to the brothas, for I know a few that would be mad becasue a black woman decides to try a man outsider her race. But, this is not just a black people issue. Many other races also have this problem of dating outside the race, especially Asian cultures(Japanese, Indian, etc.). It's unacceptable to judge a person for their preference, because your preference may not be appealing to others. Stick to your own, and don't worry about what others do.

    This was a beautiful story, and I wish the writer the best of luck with her marriage and family.May you continue to multiply and bear fruits upon the earth, and not let other discourage you of your beautiful bearings the Lord grants us.

    • Mz. Ashley

      Amen Sister! I couldnt have said it better! :p

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/dashofreality dashofreality

    I loved it. People need to see the bigger picture. Happiness. This is just what the author did. I support happiness and love. Race is irrelevant when it comes to that. Speaking of race...
    To discuss another striking point in the piece, how her husband identifies their child as black. I would have to agree with this point. I don't think anyone should deny their background, but saying you are Black does not mean you are denouncing any other race or ethnicity you have. Society judges race (which is a societal construct anyway) based on your physical appearance.
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  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/dashofreality dashofreality

    The child can say she's bi-racial til the cows come home but will be "treated" as a black woman would be "treated." In any case, "Black" has become a mixed race. What with the diaspora, slavery and the like, I am pretty sure A LOT of people whose parents are both "black" has the same make-up as a "mixed" or "bi-racial" person where one parent is white and one parent is black, so how is their black different from a bi-racial's black? It's not. So that's why I will continue to call my President black. Bi-racial is besides the point. If he was being described no one would say yes, that bi-racial fella. Nope. The description would be that black guy.
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    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/angelaconley Angela Conley

      I agree that society will still define that biracial person (or our president) as black instead of black AND white. But if we allow this label to continue, than it shall .That is partly why if I have children, they will be identified as both. I believe the more we clearly indicate someone as being bi- or multi-racial, the more we can embrace this and also do away with the one-race label.

    • Robynne

      That's how I feel too. I'm from the Caribbean and I've seen what happened with the creation of a separate mulatto identity. Society is roughly stratified in this way - white over brown over black. This only serves to further the divide. How about we stop considering race altogether. That's a more sensible (and naive I guess) proposition, but probably won't be entertained because of white privilege and the varying degrees of it when one is in some way associated with whiteness (ie "biracial" as opposed to "black" etc. ). Nobody's going to willingly let go of their power.

      You're right, us diaspora folk are a bunch of mutts. I have East Indian and Cuban ancestry (grandparents). However, I see a black girl when I look in the mirror and that's how I identify. My bf is white. If it were ever to get to the point where we were married with kids, I'd leave it up to my child to choose. However, I'm not going to sit idly by and allow my child to cultivate a disdain for the black side of his or her ancestry, as a lot of (black) parents of biracial children seem to allow. Otherwise, some would not be so disdainful of being associated with black, period. Let's not pretend this is not the case. Cultivate a healthy sense of self respect in the child about your heritage - from the Kingdoms in Africa to what blacks have achieved in America ( or the Caribbean if that's where you hail from). You don't have to worry about the white side so much. The school system and society in general will keep the child well informed on that front. Not so much your side.

      • Robynne

        Addendum: Cultivating a healthy sense of respect for the black side of one's ancestry is especially critical period, especially if the child is going to be raised in the United States - given the proliferation of negative images of black people and the notion that black american "culture" is characterised by the whole hip hop/BET madness. Without informing your child of the relevant past (because the school system isn't), you can see why they'd want to run far from anything black as fast as possible and look down upon black-identified people.

  • @MultipleHeart

    Do you always imagine your spouse as being the same race? - I don't have a race in mind for my spouse. Never did. Somehow I grew up (in a racial mixed area of Manhattan) not really paying attention to race, it was more about people and personalities.

    Are you open to the idea of marrying outside your race? Based on what I said above yes, very much so.

    Do you believe that interracial marriages are more difficult that same race ones? I'm not sure how to answer that. I believe that it is people that add the difficult. In none of my mixed relationship did I ever say "You don't understand me because I'm black.", I always said "You don't understand me and my point of view." Maybe I'm naive in this sense. Or maybe I look beyond race and just see people.

    How much of an issue would different religious beliefs be for you in an interracial marriage/relationship?- Religious beliefs are an issue for me because I don't buy into a structured religion and some don't understand that. I'm spiritual. I respect others that view religion differently. I have dated Jewish men that are spiritual, but not religious. I have dated Italian men that are Catholic and go to church. These were personal choices based on their upbringing so again I have to say it would depend on my mate.

    How would you balance out racial identity identities with your child? - It would be a balance. My child would be half of what I am and half of what their father is.

    How much does race matter to you when it comes to finding the love of your life?- Honestly that is the last thing I think about. Race is something you are born into. It is the person you become that matters. Race can influence a person's personality not determine it.

  • QuoteMan

    By any measure, I believe this generation has ushered in a huge preponderance of interracial dating than previous generations. What I find quite interesting is the black woman/Asian man interracial dating. By my observations, it used to be only the other way around. As far as I could remember, sisters weren't checking out the Asian boys. Plus, the Asian boys seemed to be intimidated by the sisters. As such, it's a thing of beauty, in my eyes to see all kinds of interracial dating today - not just black and white.

    Given my background, a product of a predominantly neighborhood; a student and a graduate of a multi-racial schools, I've made numerous friends of different races and ethnicities. I'm also the only black person currently at my job.

    Now having said all that, when it comes to the opposite sex, I possess a strong affinity which is limited to the sisters. So much so that, it's hard for me to see myself with any woman besides a sister.

    They're crazy and a pain in the ass but I love them, no less. LOL

    • red

      Are we black women really crazy and pains in the ass, lol!?!? I personally think- and I am a woman- that ALL women are crazy to some degree, regardless of race. And being that you have friends of different races- as do I- you should know that.
      but yeah, we are crazy as hell sometimes....

      • QuoteMan

        Nah, I wasn’t talkin’ about you, I meant the other black women. LOL

  • http://twitter.com/gildedcocoa @gildedcocoa

    The story was beautifully written and the writer has obviously found her 'match' and that's a wonderful thing.

    However I will be completely honest in saying I don't think I could ever EVER marry a white man. That's not saying I couldn't or don't date outside my race but a white guy... yeah no thanks. I've learned my lesson.

    I've dated many difference ethnicities of men [hispanic, native american, pacific islanders etc] & yet none of the relationships have been as horrifying as the ones that involve white men. Whether they admit it or not many white men still hold the same beliefs that their ancestors did about black women. Eventually pleasantries and political correctness melts away and someone ends up showing their ass.

    While I am well aware that not every white man feels this way I've encountered enough of them that do for me to permanently shut down the idea of dating a white guy. I have no desire to be some man's fetish or 'plantation fantasy'. Call it self-preservation or racism but I just can't do it. Maybe my opinions will change as I age but for now I just can't do it.

    Call me racist if you like but you can't say I'm not honest.

    • Shannon

      I find your response interesting because I feel the same way about black men, despite being black myself--well, mixed anyway. I can't say your experience with white men is any less true or traumatic than mine was with black men, but at least you don't get the grief that I seem to always get for my feelings toward black men. Perhaps it's because I am black as well, I don't know. And yes, you are being very honest about your feelings and experiences and while my relationships with white men have been the greatest for me, I know the saying goes, "To each his own." Everyone has different experiences with the same things, such as interracial dating. I don't think you're racist--I've been called that myself--but I think you just based your feelings on your personal experiences and that's all you can do. Just because my white husband was good to me doesn't change what you went through. And I understand it.

    • lola289

      Not mad at you... that was ur situation!

  • Chellz

    This is an inspiring post. I don't think I could ever date outside my race. I couldn't imagine having bi-racial children. I'm starting to notice alot of black women marring outside there race in my community. I still haven't made it a n option for me. But the more I see it, and hear about it, i'm opening my mind to it.

  • Mz. Ashley

    Living in South Louisiana and me being a "white girl" and my boyfriend being "black/cuban", it is very difficult for us. We have been together for 4 years now, and it has gotten easier. My family comes around him now, besides my father. From the beginning, his family LOVED me. Louisiana is such a backwards state, it seems they will never change! I have lost "so-called" friends because of my decision to date a black man, but I am glad i found out who they really were. I wouldn't trade my man in for the world. He treats me so good, and in this post i love how she said OPEN CONVERSATIONS. That is how we started too, by just keeping it real with each other. I have learned so much being with him, not only about the black culture, but about life in general. I can't wait to have our little "swirl" come into this world. We are debating if we should move or not because the kids down here are not use to bi-racal kids, and i be damned if my child feels neglected because she/he is not WHITE OR BLACK.....I see it as them having the best of both worlds! :)

    • Miss Conception

      Maybe you two should go out of the country, for America holds on to a nonsense ideal since the start of the United States. It is really difficult to teach your child a concept that everyone is not being taught and will hold over her/his head. It is nice to see that the two of you are able to overcome the negativity the world implements, but the main focus upon developing your relationship on your terms. Forget what everyone else has to say, people of the same race get it all the time, it isn't just those who are in a bi-racial relationship: Girl, I can't believe he is with her. She walks around like she got a stick up her butt. He needs a woman that is laid back like me. People will hate upon what they don't have, so you can't worry about what others around have to say because the importance is what you think of each other.

      • Mz. Ashley

        and you are exactly right

  • Pre-med~

    This is such a great topic. I think many of us are being held back from a happy relationship because we have a color complex!!!

    Do you always imagine your spouse as being the same race? No, although i used to.
    Are you open to the idea of marrying outside your race? Absolutely
    Do you believe that interracial marriages are more difficult that same race ones? They can be depneding on the area you live in as well as your family's beliefs
    How much of an issue would different religious beliefs be for you in an interracial marriage/relationship? That's a toughie!!!!
    How would you balance out racial identity identities with your child? I would want my child to indentify themselves with being a person, regardless of there race. But they will be aware of their history , Black and White.
    How much does race matter to you when it comes to finding the love of your life? Doesn't matter. NOT ONE BIT!!!

  • XoXoTestorshia

    My friends and I have been having this conversation of who they see me with (it's a game they play since I'm the last of the singles in the clan :P ). Usually it's a Hispanic man or a white man, very rarely a black man and when they ask me what I think, I just shrug and say "If he loves me and makes me happy, what's there to object to?" Even when I was younger, I didn't imagine myself with a particular race, but that could be in part to growing up abroad, and I still don't much care what color the man is.

  • Shannon

    I am the product of an interracial marriage and I myself was in an interracial marriage. My husband, who was of Irish and English descent, was the greatest man in my life and I miss him every single day. My parents never had any other children besides me--all my siblings are half--but I was always aware of the differences between them; for instance, some of my sisters were white and another sister and brother were black. People always made comments whenever I went somewhere with my paternal grandmother; they were mystified as to why this white woman was walking with this undeniably black child.

    My mother had always wanted my brother and sister (from her previous marriage) to grow up in and around the black community and she wanted that for me, so much so that one day my father asked her, "You want Shannon to know so much about her black roots and black history, what about her white history? Doesn't that count?" My mother made it very clear to him with her comment: "She can very well learn about her roots, black or white, but you have to remember when she grows up she will be called a black woman." My father knew well what lessons she was trying to teach me, but not long after that exchange we moved to a predominantly white suburb where I was happy to find there were other families like mine.

    Interracial dating is the norm for me; I am currently on hiatus with a white man I met almost a year ago. My sister always jokes that I am as close to white people as she ever wants to get and that she would never date outside her own race, but my nephew is part French, part Hispanic and part black and I tease her about it, telling her apparently someone from the outside must her turned her out since she had his baby and she admitted that she did love her son's father despite his origins.

    Back when I was dating, I often found myself being questioned by some white men who assumed I was dating them for the novelty, but you can't always assume that people will date and marry within their own. I was surprised to learn that several men at my job were interested in me, especially after their rant about racial purity. Go figure. I've gotten a lot of grief because of who I'm with, but you can't help who you fall in love with. You love who you love and it just happens. Love knows no color; it is pure and honest, with no baggage to get in the way. My father always told me he never looked at my mother and saw a black woman, but the woman he fell head over heels in love with. He knew how his heart felt and that was what he listened to and he never regretted it. I know what he means. I felt the same way about my husband as well.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ronnie6676 Ronnie6676

    I always figured that I would end up with a black man. I never discriminated but it just seemed that the men i was attracted to were black like me. My fiance is dominican and something about him just fit right for me. My son is bi-racial (hispanic and black). When he was young he would say that he was white (because he was extremely light) but now that he is older he understands that he is hispanic/black. Kind of a double negative in this country but we deal.

    We both have to be aware that we come from completely different backgrounds and cultures. There is a really funny story involving greens that I won't get into. But needless to say I forgot that greens aren't necessarily a staple in dominican households. LOL

    I suppose when it comes down to it, you just don't know who God intends for you and what their nationality will be. If you truly want to have love in your life and someone who honestly love and cares for you, then you may have to broaden your horizons a bit. Just my opinion.
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  • Mia

    My family comes from Jamaica, and I never saw interracial dating/marriage as an issue. Our cookouts can get colorful, but the fact is, it doesn't matter, because everyone there is Jamaican.
    I thought this was beautifully written. However, I am bothered by one piece: "When I first asked her dad how he identifies her, he looked at me like I was crazy and said, 'Black.'" Why is it that in 2010 people still live by this "One Drop Rule." The child's father is White, and the mother is Black. So why is it that she only can be identified as Black? She is really Black AND White. Thus, she should identify as both. I think we're allowed to check more than one box in the race category.

    • Miss Conception

      Let me answer this question: Why is it that in 2010 people still live by this "One Drop Rule"? Black is a mixture of the races due to the slavery days when the white masters would have sex with his slaves. So, instead of identifying as African American (for I find it to be untrue, I am a child of Israel), we identify as black because you cannot place one specific or several specific race to our people. It is a shame to hear how people don't want to understand what it means to be black. It is a beautiful thing that her husband wants to see his child as Black, and not biracial because in reality her mother is not just one race, and I am sure her father isn't one race as well. So, why identify as, I am Cherokee, English, Polish... and instead be proud of the multiracial aspect of being black?

      • Elle

        According to this logic shouldn't she identify as multiracial instead of black?

        I understand the point you're making and quite frankly I believe people should choose the lable they want to live by on their own.

        But in concordance to your definition of what "black" really means "white" is just as incorrect of a term for there are tons of different ethnicities lumped together under that label. So in essence, if "black" is a way of grouping different backgrounds into one category and "white" is another way, that would make their baby mixed/multiracial in more ways than one.

        Especially if we want to factor in history, clear ethnic/racial labels cannot exist for there has been mingling between the races, ethnicities and religions of this world with every conquest, war, cruisade and such. Which brings me back to calling us all Earthlings.

        • Mia

          You're on the money, Elle.

        • Miss Conception

          Well... actually white is just as multiracial as black... in the UK, do people identify as white? in that matter, how about in France? Are they French or white? It isn't the matter of wanting to make a different identity among each other, but to understand exactly that we are different. We can confide in each other our similarities, but why try to say that we are all the same when we each have a different experience? I hate to say it, but a white person will never understand the kind of struggle I go through as a black person, and that is the bottom line. As much as I hate the divide, what can I do but to not transform but transcend? I am sorry, but I will never consider myself anything that I am not. I have Black, white, and Indian mixed in me, but I won't identify myself as multiracial because in essence I am not identifying my race, but my culture and my family background. If I am multiracial, why is it hard for people to see me in the same limelight as other multiracial people?

          • Elle

            In all honesty, I do not understand your very last sentence. Maybe it's the language barrier for I am an ESLer. Or maybe I cannot follow your logic.
            But it doesn't matter after all because I respect your way of life and seeing things. You choose to consider yourself Black. I choose to consider myself "cosmopolitan". None is better or "righter" than the other.

            French folks identify as French, Brits consider themselves to be Brits and they both come in all colors and ethnicities. Depending if we're talking 1st or 5th generation, they may or may not claim their ancestors from way back when. This is why I said in my general statement that to us (and by us I mean Europeans) you guys are Americans. We don't care if you are white, black, irish, nigerian, greek or whatever by heritage. If you live in America and/or have an US passport, you're American by our understanding. These racial categories are an American construct for all I know. I never had to check my ethnicity out here when filling out paperwork. They only question I am being asked is if I am a German citizen or not - legally speaking that is. Do I look like your cliché German? Probably not. But who cares, I was born and raised here so I am. Again, this is European or maybe just German logic and I am full aware that due to history things are quite different in the US. I am solely trying to convey a different POV.

            As far as a "white person" understanding your struggle as a black woman goes: for obvious reasons I will never KNOW EXACTLY what it is like to be black (in America at that). However, more folks than you may assume can probably relate. Racism and discrimination do not know borders and they exist in every country around the globe. Try being a Bosnian in Serbia. Or what about being Libanese in Germany. How about being a Jew in Russia. Maybe if we were to compare notes one day you might be surprised how many of our experiences mirror each other.

  • Elle

    Move if you can. Up north or even better to the UK if you can someway, somehow.

  • http://jcdaviesauthor.com/ Racy JC

    I really love your story. I have been in relationships like your describe where people were not able to get over their "jungle fever issues," they missed out on great relationship opportunities, and have remain very unhappy. I am so glad you had the courage to fight that society pressure and live for yourself.

    Does race matter? Yeah, race, culture, all of it. But not in the way that some people think. It can offer positives as much as challenges, its just about understanding and respecting everything about someone, including their culture. As long as you make it about the two of you and not society or "other people" you can't go wrong.

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  • lola289

    Race is a crazy topic in this country. It still pushes buttons today like it did decades ago. The ONLY difference is Black people have a voice! I come from a militant family, and regardless skin tones when you live in an environment like that you are doomed! Only now coming into my thirties; I see that there are other types of men in the world. I mean I liked different skin tones, but date them...never!
    Although, now I have a bit of a situation; the only black men that are 'my type' are either gay or straight dating outside of their race (e.g. Latina, Asian, bi, or multiracial women). So I am looking around thinking, "Back to the drawing board!" It was hard enough to get over my shyness w/ black men... =/
    My only qualm with interracial couples is that black men tend to loss themselves.
    I don’t understand it. They almost have to have this fake facade. "Relax" is what I want to say to them.

  • lola289

    (cont.)
    (SIDENOTE: So if you in an interracial relationship don't get tense...RELAX!
    As long as nobody is coming towards you negatively there are no problems.)

    But honestly, if I date outside of my skin tone it will have to be with a man from another nationality. Americans are messed up in terms of race. I need a person who is open minded and grounded in who he is outside of what his culture wants him to be.

  • lola289

    Its funny.. I watch some BBC shows (Coupling! <3), and when I first saw interracial couples (even in the background) I was blown away! There are other shows that depict interracial marriages or relationships with RACE as not a problem. Although, in America we are just getting into that! It’s sad really. The BBC shows how racist and backwards American television really is.

    • QuoteMan

      Granted, in America virtually everything is viewed through racial lenses. But in all fairness, I don’t think there’s any European country with a sizable black population that would elect a black person as their president. Warts and all, on one November night, we took off our racial lenses and made history.

      Contrary to what you’ve watched or heard, the Europeans have their share of racial issues as wells. It may not be as ridiculous as ours – but they do. If Elle would be honest, some parts of Germany had their share of racial issues, too, esp. the eastern part. A couple of years back, a black guy was beaten into coma. (yeah, I’m a news junkie, lol)

      As I’ve gotten older, I’ve made a conscious effort to travel the world, as I did two years ago. In ’08 when Jay did Glastonbury, I was in London (not at the concert) and saw on their news how some folks reacted to him headlining the festival. In addition, there were reports on the blacks not having the same economic opportunities as their white counterparts, all strikingly similar to what goes on in this country. In all, the people were receptive, generous and super-super polite. Lol.

      • lola289

        Yea, ur totally correct QuoteMan. No place is really safe from discrimination especially Great Britain (e.g Apartheid).

    • Gracie

      Didn't mean to put a thumbs down, meant a thumbs up sorry :S

      • Gracie

        Oh shit no, getting really confused...def meant a thumbs down...my comp just went a bit mad... but sorry lola, i've lived in both America and England your very wrong to say, ESPECIALLY Great Britain. Obviously nowhere is rascist free but the UK is socially divided rather than racially! And Apartheid applies to South Africa not the UK lol.

  • Kate

    I don't understand this perception which *some* fully black people have of biracial (W/B) children being "screwed up". Where does it come from? SMH. I've always believed I had the best of both worlds but w/e.

  • SkittleBubbles

    I will always only stick to Black men. Regardless of them abandoning us, I will always have unconditional love for them. I don't see how I could ever work up the nerve to let any other race of men touch me. That thought disgusts me. I agree with what others have said as far as to each his own. But for me, I just cannot do it. It's an attraction thing. I find the darkest of skin to be sexy. For me, only a Black man could identify with me in every way. Not just in big ways, but in small ways too. Maybe for others and how or where they were raised allows them to be more open. But that is not the case with me. And I have no problems admitting that I refuse to open myself up in that way. I am in a committed loving relationship with a sexy super chocolate Black man. I want super chocolate kids to balance out all of these light interracials. I wish everyone the best of luck in finding love, whoever it's with. What you eat don't make me shit, so seeing interracial couples does not bother me.

    • Shannon

      It obviously does bother u seeing interracial couples if your talking about 'balancing out these light interracials'. Its sounds like you judge people right off from their skin colour and U can't look beyond someones skin. Of course everyone is entitled to their own taste in men/women and no matter what I say to u will fly right over ur ignorant head which is fine, but u are the problem with America. There are ignorant other white/asian/pakistani people exactly like u, maybe if u opened ur eyes and saw the similarities rather than differences, you could live a happy, racial free life. And please do excuse my own ignorance but you are like every other dumb American, racially ignorant! You don't have to be ignorant and racist to be proud of ur heritage and culture...but its people like you that make the racial situation in America so bad. You are not alone.

  • Chris London

    I think the racial viewpoint is very different in the States and South Africa. I am from the UK and while there is obviously going to be some racial division, it is not to the same degree as in America it seems, which seems is still quite culturally divided and race is still a massive issue. We obviously come across some ignorant people (but thats everywhere no matter what)... but my experience as an average black male growing up in the UK does not seem similar to any of the stories I hear from America. The racial situation in London seems to be more light hearted over here...no matter what the background, everyone can talk about it openly and we can joke about the stereotypes. My wife is white from Scotland and moved to London and it was never a thing or question for us not to be together based on our background.

  • Chris London

    The area I grew up in is very multicultural and not so divided...as kids we grow up used to seeing people of different skin colour integrating around them...its the only thing we know and never really have to ask about it. While I consider myself English, the Jamaican influence in my family is still very existant. I've grown up on Caribbean food and we come from a typically close Jamaican family. My wife is proud of being Scottish and our kids will always have an input from Jamaica, Scotland and London. I'm not saying for a second that sometimes you don't have an ignorant racial groups/divides because your going to find racist people everywhere but in general, its more relaxed. I think it depends on ur upbringing anyway.

  • Gracie

    Its probably very hard for Americans to understand the difference. But what Elle was sayin is that in the UK, people of all different backgrounds can integrate and its fine..we can have a laugh and respect the cultural backgrounds because we consider oueselves English..we are not hanging on to this African American or or Irish-American. Its kinda like- yeh I'm English but my parents are from Ghana or wherever. We are proud of where we came from but not ignorant or disrespectful to where someone else came from.Of course there are rascist people all over the world...in the UK too of course...but thats not the point thats being made. In general, you can live a happy, rascist free life in London. It kind of depends on your social background rather than ur cultural background. If you are well spoken and educated than there are the same opportunities for people regardless of skin colour. If you are not well-spoken, not appropriatly dressed, uneducated and a general chav well than you have the same lack of opportunity as everyother uneducated person around you. So the UK would have social issue, but not so much rascist. And the ratio of black people for the UK's population is very significant and sizeable.

  • Gracie

    And quote man, like u said, its granted that everything is viewed through racial lenses...but its not like that in Engalnd. You were at Jay Z, i'm sure you saw plenty of white females rapping along to every lyric that Jay spits. And I really don't think you'd get that in America. I lived in New York for a few months and I dance and black women either patronised me like- "awwww white girl can wine" or "who dis girl think she is" kinda attitude. Its so backwards. And as for white Ameircan!! Oh dear...its like..."omg are u irish? I'm Irish too"..and SMH like... you sound American. Then I get this..wel my great great grandad chat. People claiming a nationality that they arent even entitled to a passport for! Its very annoying.

    • QuoteMan

      Correction: I wasn't at the concert; it just so happened I was in the country during the time of the concert.

      It was reported that there were some opposition from notably Noel Gallagher - not the people in general, that he shouldn't be allowed to headline a festival as "prestige" as glastonbury. What was all that about?

      • Gracie

        Well Noel Gallagher is a rock artist and Jay Z is a hip hop artist...and Glastonbury is more a rock/guitar concert than anything else. He said- hip hop is wrong for the festival, not specifically Jay Z, it could have been any hip hop artist and he'd have said the same, not necissarily cause he's racist but because he's bias/passionate towards rock music. Besides that, Noel Gallagher is known for being rude lol.

        • Gracie

          But anyway, course your gona get some culturally ignorant british people, you get it everywhere...BUT England is accepting of culture and if someone is talking racially ignorant, its dismissed straight away and its not accepted! And most black english people don't use the word nigger either. Obviously some do sometimes but its usually looked down upon by black people because they don't wanna be compared to cheesy black American attitude, some do, but majority don't. Probably because we grow up in the same communities as people from all sorts of backgrounds and don't need to ask 'why do I look different' because everyone is different and communities aren't THATTT segregated. And in all fairness, I live in London and London is probably different to the English countryside.

  • Gracie

    Tbh the American racial issues bother me so much but I understand why they exist.. I'm sure every black person in America knows of a parent or grandparent who wasn't allowed on a bus or who experienced the SERIOUS hatred which is really sad. But Elle is right, to us you are all as hating and ignorant as eachother...you are American. You should try be proud of being an American and be proud of your fellow Americans for electing a half white/half black president because the black vote helped but it wasn't majority. It is a step forward in the right direction and hopefully there will be more interracial communities.

  • Julia

    I had to comment since I'm in a interracial marriage. I'm Black (or African American if you want to call it that) and my husband is Irish American. I do think that Interracial Marriages can be hard if people aren't honest and open with each other. From the 7 years (4 married) that I've been with my husband, We've learned since the beginning to be open with each other. Sometimes I feel our difference in ethnicity and race kind of makes our relationship more exciting in ways since we both get to learn and love each other cultures.

  • Julia

    There are many trials and tribulations that come with it and the biggest are probably families and other people's opinions but I find that it makes us closer in some ways. We tend to get "lost in each other" a lot and kind of just shut out the world when the negative and overall ignorance becomes over whelming. I also credit us and our communication because we aren't afraid to bring up the race questions and really state how we feel without the fear of offending each other.

    I think that we as Americans make a big deal out of race and I feel that as a black woman, I have it even twice as hard since people don't refrain from telling me about how "the white man raped me" years ago and all this stuff so I think that you have to feel guilt free in an Interracial Relationship and not feel like you owe people something or that the past has to dictate your present and future and though you shouldn't forget , you shouldn't live by it either.

  • Julia

    That's just my two cents, I think that Interracial Dating isn't for everyone and I support anyone or any race who has the guts to stick it out and be with someone you truly love because at the end of the day your happiness is all that matters!

    (Just to touch on the race thing, I have 1 daughter with my husband and she is going to be 1 soon but I do want her to recognize her Irish side and Black Side. I don't want her to let America dictate who or what she is going to be. She will be a proud black but also be a proud Irish because despite the "one drop rule" she is her father's daughter and I don't want her to be ashamed of that or feel the need to hide that because it makes her who she is.)

  • Siantej

    How bout jus know you both of you are, having a common experience, working on yourselfs and working on the relationship inside and keeping outsiders OUTSIDE.

  • http://visionaryinminiature.blogspot.com Chad

    Yeah I'm married almost eleven years to a white man. The treatment from his family should have made me run in the other direction but he is so good to me and forgiving and loving. At times I think a black man would have choked me up for my behavior but he is understanding. Not because he is white but maybe just his personality.
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  • Brandi

    I used to be a single mom of 2 beautiful mexican american boys. Things were very hard, and we could barely make ends meet. At the time, we lived in a roach infested run down 1 bedroom apartment, because thats all I could afford. I could barely afford even that. I had tried dating, and met several nice men, but none of them could give us the love and family time we needed. I simply wanted someone to not only dedicate himself to me, but someone who could dedicate himself to my children and come to love them the same way I do. Things turned for the worse early that summer so I brought a friend to stay with me for support and encouragement. I began taking week long trips looking for a new home and a job so that we could move and start a new life. In the meantime, My children began to suffer without me there. They began to do without necessities, like milk and bread, and I later found out the person I trusted to keep them simply left them in bed all day. I happened to be driving down town one day when I came across a friend of mine, and I stopped to talk to him. He was in the process of rennovating an old building, and had 2 workers with him. Since it was so hot outside, and I only lived a few blocks away, I invited them to my house for a couple of drinks. My friend knew my living situation, and didnt say much when they arrived, but one of his workers, looked around in disbelief at the small space I had been calling home. I kept quiet, not wanting to seem rude, and went to get something from the refrigerator for them to drink. As I was coming into to the living room, to hand them each a cold glass of tea, the worker saw my 2 children, one barely walking and the other crawling, tagging along behind me. As I handed him the tea, I could see a note of sadness, but familiarity in his eyes. It prompted me to introduce him to my boys, and as I did, he sat each one on his lap and smiled as if he had known them since they were born, as if they were family. The day after that flew by, as I enjoyed the company of my newfound friends. But the next day, I was off again. This time when I returned, I walked in the door to greet my babies like always, when something didnt seem quite right. Thats when I noticed, there were 2 brand new loaves of bread sitting on my counter. I opened the refrigerator, and there were 2 gallons of milk, a package of hamburger meat, hotdogs, cheese, and even a small cake. I later found spaghetti noodles, sauce, macaroni and cheese, hamburger helper, and a small note taped inside of the door in scrawled handwriting written in bad english... "I be here for eat later..." I asked my friend where it all came from, and he said it was here when he got back from taking the boys to the church park across the street. I had no idea who it couldve been, between my friends, and the men I had dated, I was stumped until the thought of the man who smiled at my children. I had only just met him, and i couldnt begin to fathom why he would do something like that for someone he had only spoken to once in his life. I began to freshen myself up, and was so worked up by the time the knock on the door came i nearly wet myself. Suprise! it was the man from the other day. I ended up making Spaghetti and garlic bread that night for dinner. It was a fabulous meal. So nice to have a full stomach after so long. After dinner, we all made small talk, and he played with the boys. I finally put them to bed, and put in a movie, but excused myself and stepped outside for a breath of fresh air. I was not used to seeing someone else care about us, It was a little overwhelming at first. Not long afterwards, he came outside and tried speaking a little broken english to me. I could hardly understand what he was saying so i informed him that i spoke fluent spanish, and we both laughed and he formally introduced himself as "Eli". He proceeded to tell me that he would like to get to know my family better, and be there for us if i would let him, and that he would like to take us all out someday, so we could enjoy each other's company. It came as a big shock to me because he was not pressing to stay the night, or retreat to the bedroom expecting "payment" for the things he bought. That was the kind of treatment I had become accustomed to. I finally got the nerve to ask why he was willing to do this for someone he just met. He told me he had fallen in love with us from the moment he stepped through my door, because, my broken family reminded him so much of his own growing up. He said his mother had suffered so much raising him and his brothers and sister, and he heard her cry so many nights because his father would get her pregnant and run off leaving his family to starve and fend for themselves. He said I didnt deserve to go through that, and asked if I would let him be a friend and be there for us, and be an example for my children. I said yes, he began to come every other night to check on us and help us in any way possible. He never missed a day. We continued on like that for about 6 months, and eli and I began to date. 2 years later we are talking about marriage, and (oops!) expecting "our" third child. I am a white woman, honest, a little irresponsible sometimes, loving, and i have one hell of a temper. He is a hispanic man, stubborn, hateful, and inconsiderate sometimes, but he is my guardian angel, my rescuer, my soon to be husband. We both come from very different cultures, but our histories are identical. We are one in the same. We are each other's breath of life. It is amazing that something that powerful can come from a simple ice cold glass of tea on a hot summer's day.

  • Tejan

    Soon to married to an Asian woman. We love each other and are perfect for each other, and race does not matter.

  • New.at.this

    I have been with my boyfriend who is of native american decent and i am african american with some traces of haitian/white/native american. We are expecting our first child in june...i asked him a couple of days ago before reading this post, if he was okay with having a child that will probably look nothing like him or I and it shrugged it off and said he would love it the same. We are getting married at the end of the month so wish us luck!

  • Tiffany

    "I had always thought that biracial kids were screwed up and not sure of their identity and now here I was with my own biracial child."

    I would love to hear you elaborate on this.

  • Tiffany

    Amazing story Brandi, God really blessed you and your boys :)

  • Sasha

    I COMPLETELY AGREE. I have had this conversation with every black person that knows me. My daughter is 13 months old, the most beautiful and sweet baby ever- black and white. Every black person that I work with in my office tries, on every occasion they get, to convince me that she is a black child. She is not. She isboth black and white, with black and white heritage, and half of her family is white. I don't understand the dated notion of 'black is the defining race'. She can identify however she would like, but the truth of the matter is- she is born to two parents, and the heritage of two parents is important equally.

  • Sasha

    So then, why not be proud of the multiracial aspect of being black and white? I don't understand why black becomes dominant. As I responded to the previous post to which you have also responded, what makes it okay to drop the 'white' part of the child in identity? And I can answer the question "why identify as Cherokee, English, Polish"- because apart from 'Cherokee' (which is a specific heritage, a specific tribe) those are ethnicities, and to discount any ancestral heritage simply to classify oneself as just 'black' is, in my opinion, unnecessary, and robbing the child of the pride that they can have in being, and CALLING themselves, multiracial black and white, and whatever else.

  • Sasha

    "To balance out all of these light interracials" lololol. Ridiculous. That is why the United States and some parts of the world in general will never move forward. The ignorance in thinking that we are different because of our race, that a lighter person has to 'balance out by someone else, when we actually all belong to one human race. Heritage-wise- we are all different. But we are all the same race, and with all the hate and violence in the world, it's time we moved forward from the thinking that lighter and darker mean anything. Doesn't mean a damn thing who is light or dark, purple or green. Personally, I would like to be purple.

  • knighthonor

    I agree Miss Conception.
    People dont read their history books.

    @Sasha, she explained it clearly to you. Because being Black, means you already are a Bi Racial.

    What many of you people dont even know, how much interracial breeding has been done in the history of this country and and the South American Spanish culture.

    Most South American Hispanics, are BI RACIAL!!! Most of them dont even know that. Thats the funny thing, because somewhere down the line of the family tree, there is a former African Slave that was married to a White Spanish person. Thats right,,, Slaves of the Spanish had that right not to be divided from family, also they could marry unlike USA slaves.

    also many Slaves mated with Native Americans. Native Americans were allies to the Run away Slaves.

    Also I would like to know what defines Bi Racial. if you want Bi Racial category so much, than what would you define Malcolm X as?

    How about the Black Americans that had a raped slave grandmother in their family tree somewhere? are all these Black be called bi racial instead?

  • knighthonor

    well if thats the case. 95 Percent of Black people from the US should not be called Blacks, but Bi Racial, since studies show 95% of black Americans have European decent.

    right----^ ?

  • knighthonor

    Racism is defined as PREJUDICE with POWER.

    Everybody is PREJUDICE! no matter if they deny it or not. its a natural instinct.

    BUT

    not Everybody has POWER, which means the people with power can place Racial Stereotypes and Restrictions based about their Prejudice of another race.
    Hitler is a
    n example of this, and the USA

  • knighthonor

    well true. But heres the thing over here. Many of us Blacks share a mindset with Malcolm X.

    We may be Americans, but when we start throwing ourselves all over to defend this country (stockholm syndrome), thats were the issue comes in. We as Black people try so hard to move away from the fact that we are our own ethnic group. I seen many Blacks disrespect their own Ethnic group. I dont see this same amount of self hatred from non blacks. why.

    (House Negro Syndrome)
    [House Negro say] :Oh Noo Massa, WE just got attacked
    [Modern House Negro] oh nooo,,, WE just got attacked on 9/11.
    ohh noos, OUR president just had a shoe thrown at him.

    check out a Malcolm X video. he explains it better than I can.

  • knighthonor

    OH PLEASE!!!!

    We all no you white people enjoy Rap... Hey remember James Brown. When he said "Say It Loud"
    who were most of the people saying "Iam Black And Iam Proud" ?
    all through History White people have stole Black Culture to claim for them self. sorry truth hurts sometimes.

  • knighthonor

    Proud of being American? and why is that. House Negro!

  • knighthonor

    wait wait wait,,,, "“At times I think a black man would have choked me up for my behavior but he is understanding.”

    what does race have to do with that?

  • knighthonor

    the Nigger word is a word that was developed by southern accents.
    Black People were called this. its even in the bible

  • knighthonor

    I have little against IR marriage (other than the fact that it can erase the African part of them if done for many generations[which historically has happen with South American Hispanics])

    but when people feel the need to bash their Black Ethnic roots, and praise the idea of not being Black,,, thats when I have a problem. Because if you want to pull that "IAM NOT BLACK" card, well you minds well deal those same cards to 95% of Black Americans as well, that you try to hide from so much

  • Yoursongkate

    I'm Asian and I would not have a problem dating/loving a non-Asian man. However, I probably would not consider marrying a non-Asian man only because I am also very traditional. My family and ethnic community is very closed-knit and still observe all our traditions. I do not see how a non-Asian man could fit into this intricate lifestyle and not only that but he would not be able to carry out the traditional expectations I have of a husband. Sure, we might love each other and get along but I need him to be able to perform other husband roles in my traditional Asian culture - especially all the intricate and complex ones that are the husband's role.